I have been slowly working on my Indian Paintbrush artwork. Since the last time I showed you, I have painted the stems and added some blue flowers in the background.
Here it is after I painted the stems and leaves. I didn’t add any further color to the flowers themselves as I thought I might do. Once I was finished, I decided I should have left the bottom stems alone so they blended better into the background. I could add more paint on top but so far I have just left them as they are.
Here’s a closer view of the stems. Next up was to decide if I needed to add anything else. I decided to enhance the blue areas with some hand stitching. I found a hand dyed greyed down blue that was multi valued.
So I used fly stitch and the thread was a thin cotton slightly bigger than one strand of floss. It’s actually hard to see in this photo but you can click on the photo to enlarge it.
Here’s a closer view of the blue stitching. So what’s next? I’m not sure. I have been looking at the piece now for several weeks hanging up in my studio. Does it need more? If so what? I still haven’t decided. What do you think?
On another note, I finally saw the Northern Lights here in Kalispell, Montana. I never realized that you need to look through the camera’s lense to actually see the lights very well. Paula took the photo above and I took the one below. Do you see the constellation?
Slow progress is being acheived on my Indian Paintbrush landscape that I have been working on. With my other classwork and out of town visitors, it’s not as far along as I had hoped it would be, but it will get there eventually.
I started on the foreground, larger flowers. The center one needed to be completed first as it had overlaps from the flower on the right. The furthest away petal is stitched down first and then other petals are added over top, working forward as I go.
Here’s the progress of the center flower. I am using a very small needle to avoid fraying the cotton organdy fabric. I also push the needle up along side the petal and then back down into the petal. Hopefully, the fabric doesn’t fray as much this way.
Here’s the piece after all three foreground flowers were stitched down. I’m still thinking about whether the background flowers need any suggestion of stems. If I do add any, it will be thin thread in a running stitch.
After looking at the foreground flowers and comparing them to my original photo, I realized that I needed some darker values in the centers and by the stems to create more depth. I decided to use acrylic paint to achieve this. I dry brushed the paint on carefully in very small amounts at a time as I didn’t want to get too much on. It would be very difficult to remove or cover excess paint.
And here it is so far. I will probably add some other shades of orange into the foreground flowers so they look a bit more realistic. I am also going to add some yellow green to the leaves. Then I think that I might add some suggestions of blue flowers where there are blue blotches in the foreground. Perhaps the common camas? How would you add suggestions of blue flowers? Stitching? Painting? More applique? Something else? I’d love to hear your thoughts.
We have costumes for two Pantomimes and one Murder Mystery Play in this post; and yes at last I’m going to tell you about the costume hair and makeup for the Wicked Queen (above).
First let’s tell you about Dig for Vengeance, the Murder Mystery Play since there isn’t much to it. In fact the only textile “makes” involved as far as I was concerned were in makeup. I was playing the part of the Reverend Simeon Knatchbull (we were – as usual – short of men so I was to do a bit of cross-dressing.) Sid, who spent most of his time in his allotment shed to get away from his garrulous wife, was played by my friend Fiona. The textile parts of the makeup were our eyebrows and side burns (extra long ones for Sid) which I made out of Shetland Moorit fibres. The Rev. was the one “who dunnit” so I‘m able to show you his mug shots and here’s a snap of Sid at his shed.
The Rev. Simeon Knatchbull (source local fuzz)Sid in his shed
The Pantomime which was our February 2019 production was Treasure Island, and I was to be cross dressing again – not sex this time but species. I was Polly, Long John Silver’s parrot. As soon as I saw the script I knew that that was the part I wanted, and although there were a couple of others trying for it, I got it. I like to think that it wasn’t just my offer to make my own costume that secured it.
The Director, Fraser Wilson (a professional actor and director) decided that he would prefer Polly to be a cartoon, rather than a realistic, parrot. That did make things much easier. I had had a look at fabrics that I had available – there was some scarlet and some royal blue, which might work so I delved into Google Images and decided on a Scarlet Macaw as the basis for Polly’s caricature. I collected various reference pictures of real Macaws as well as some cartoon characters.
Reference image 1 – scarlet macaws
Reference image 2 – scarlet macaw back & top of wings
Reference image 3 – cartoon parrots
The fabrics that I used for the costume came from two sources. The fabric for the body and the hood came from some old red and blue curtains, and the wings and tail were made from some off cuts of some sort of plasticky fabric that I had acquired from somewhere, blue and red (luckily almost exactly the same hue as the curtain fabric) and some small pieces of yellow.
The costume was made in four sections and consisted of feet and legs; lower body and breast; a tail coat – literally in this case; and a hood with clashing pirate tricorn hat.
Having again resorted to Mr Google I obtained some reference shots of parrot feet.
Reference image – feet
I constructed the feet with toes from sections of foam pipe insolation covered in needle felted yellowish fibres. I stuck some bent pieces of black painted, cotton covered wire in the tips for claws, which actually wasn’t a good idea as they kept coming out. In the event it didn’t matter as they weren’t visible from the audience anyway. I stitched the toes to an old pair of fabric shoes which I had painted black, and added more yellow needle felt around the openings to represent the feet. We always lay a black floor on The Exchange’s shiny wooden stage for pantos, so my black shoes would be less visible under the parrot feet. I stitched a length of cotton fabric, much the same colour as the toes, to the opening of each shoe, with snap fasteners up the back, to make Polly’s legs. These came up to just below my knees and were tied with a draw string to make sure they didn’t slide down during a performance. Since Polly was old – 70 – I added some varicose veins (known as “various veins” in our house – thanks to Terry Wogan), couching on some blueish pieces of yarn.
I caused great hilarity at the first rehearsal when I donned Polly’s feet. I wanted to get used to moving in them so that I didn’t trip over the toes, but I admit that it did look odd the way parrot feet protruded from the end of my jeans.
Polly’s feet
The body consisted of a bib-type front, attached at the top to a red tee shirt. Parrots having short legs without visible “knees”, I had decided that the costume crotch should come down to just above my knees. I attached very short pant legs which covered my knees and the tops of the costume legs. It might have been slightly more realistic if the crotch had come below my knees, but I remembered just in time that I’d got to be able to walk and climb stairs in this costume. Climbing steps on stage was still a bit difficult, but then Old Polly could be seen to stagger from time to time. The back of that part of the costume came up to my waist and was again tied with a draw string.
Next came the tail coat. A couple of years earlier I had acquired a Vogue Pattern, one of Sandra Betzina’s Today’s Fit series which gave me exactly what I needed to help me with the design of Polly’s tail.
Vogue pattern V8136
Vogue pattern V8136 back – Polly’s tail coat design shown on right
I constructed the coat using the pattern back, but adding wings instead of just plain sleeves. The tail feathers I boned with extra large cable ties, which gave the length and amount of rigidity I needed and I did the same with the main wing feathers.
I extended the wings/sleeves to the tips of my fingers ending on the underside in a sort of glove construction making separate sections for my thumb and first three fingers. Then I added the feathers, attaching the first three pinion feathers to the backs of the fingers of the glove. I could then move the feathers with my fingers to simulate Polly’s cartoon hands, and co-incidentally was able to hold on to bits of scenery when climbing.
The fronts of the coat were reduced to just small “bolero” type fronts. These were affixed to the body/bib just in front of my shoulders with Velcro. There was also a strip of Velcro attaching the coat inside-back just above the tail to the back waist of the body. I padded out Polly’s stomach with a thinnish sheet of foam rubber to get the right parrot shape..
I do not have any progress pictures of the costume since this all took place before I found and joined the Studio. However, I did wear the costume again 2 years ago for an appearance at the Sturminster Newton Cheese Festival. SNADS were helping out with stewarding the Festival in return for a donation to our funds and I was allowed to dress up as Polly again. That was fun, but quite warm in view of the padding. It did mean that I had a short period in which I could take some photos of the tail coat just before I donned it.
Tail undersideThe tail feathers from the backThe right wing
The hood, was just plain red and tight fitting, and the hat was more of the plastic sort of fabric, with a wired brim, and skull and crossbones appliquéd to the front. The orangy-pink with pink feather edging to the brim clashed nicely Polly’s head. The tricorn was slightly too small so I had to resort to a large safety pin to attach it to the hood to avoid it falling off during performances.
The final touch, which I didn’t really want to do but I was over-ruled by the director, was to stitch feather boas to Polly’s breast. He was right, it added that je ne sais quoi to the costume.
I found a close up image of a parrot face for makeup reference, and used a lot of red water based makeup (I went home with a pink rinse every night – very fetching!) I made Polly’s beak from some thin EVA foam, painted yellowish orange, that was stuck onto my nose with spirit gum; and I had yellow feather eyelashes. The beak was a mixed blessing. We were “miked up” for the performances so I was able to tuck the end of mine under the beak so that it wasn’t obvious. However, the theatre was very hot on the Friday night performance and just before the finalé and walkdown the beak came unstuck. The audience didn’t seem to mind though. It’s amazing what you can get away with in a Panto. I made doubly sure of it for Saturday’s two performances though.
Makeup reference imagePolly complete with feather eyelashes.Polly peering through the big house gatesPolly with Long John Silver and random pirate (Silver with crutch made by my husband)
Now at last we come to the Wicked Queen. I was asked to dress Fiona (my friend who played Sid in Dig for Vengeance) as Averice, the Wicked Queen in Snow White. This was to include wig, makeup and Crown and two complete costumes. I was given two existing dresses which fitted Fiona and which I could adapt and add to; one was red and black and the other silver and black.
The red and black was to be worn in the first half, it had a red bodice and under skirt with black lace sleeves and a black lace over skirt. I altered the dress merely by lifting the over skirt up at the centre front and fixing it with some spare bits of jewellery. At that time Fiona had a habit of stepping backwards when about to speak, so we decided that she would need a train falling behind her to help her to lose this trait and, because she learned that if she stepped back, she’d step on it, it worked. As the dress was not quite floor length, we decided that a long cape type cloak would be worn over the dress. I had a small piece of red velvet which I made into a short cape covering the top of her shoulders, and added red braid around it’s edges. We had a large piece of heavy red lace fabric with sparkles in it, which we attached to the underside of the cape starting from the front of the shoulders. The cape was fastened with more jewellery pieces.
Avarice in Red
The second dress, silver and black, was pretty plain in design (although the skirt fabric was strongly patterned) and again had no train. So I decided that I’d try to make an overdress, which I would drape on my ancient dressmaker’s dummy. I had some mauve satin type polyester fabric which I decided could do the job. I made use of Google images for some design ideas and came up with two completely different styles that I thought could be amalgamated.
Overdress reference image 1
overdress reference image 2 – sleeve
I liked the cut away front of the skirt in the picture. This could be extended at the back into a train, and there could be full over-sleeves like those in the reference image with the cross over design at the shoulders.
Having had the design approved by the wardrobe mistress I set about draping some Vilene that I had had lying around, and making pattern pieces to be cut out of the mauve satin. That was silly mistake No. 1. It wasn’t until I was three quarters of the way through draping and pattern cutting that I realised that I was using lightweight iron on Vilene, not the old sew in version that I no longer used for dressmaking.
The sleeves I drafted by basing them on a normal sleeve pattern but moving the under arm seam to the top of the arm and extending each side to form the cross over at the shoulder seam, and at the same time greatly extending the sleeve length and width. I cut 2 sleeves out of the mauve satin and 2 more out of purple organza, which I would use as lining.
Getting all the pieces for the overdress out of the mauve satin was going to be tight. In fact, in making silly mistake No. 2, I made it even tighter. I must have put one of the cut out pieces in the wrong place on the work table, because I managed to cut another pattern piece out of it, so had to do a bit of “jigsaw” patching to get enough fabric for all the pieces I needed. It’s a good job that theatrical costumes are rarely seen up close – the joins were not discernible from the auditorium.
When I took the overdress in for Fiona to try on I found silly mistake No. 3. I had not allowed any ease in the patterns made with the draped Vilene so the garment was too tight. I had to alter some of the darts I had put in for shaping, and slim down a couple of the seam allowances as well as move the front fastening.
I had a piece of black and silver furnishing fabric which was decorated with large gothic type motifs. I cut out and applied these to the dress. One large one was placed at the waist on the wrap over front. This helped with disguising the “jigsaw” seams and the added decoration helped co-ordinate with the under dress. More motifs were appliquéd down the sides and end of the train to add weight to it. I also added a short length of curtain weights to the underside of the end of the train. This solved the problem of the train tending to flip over as Fiona moved around the stage.
Avarice in full rantAvarice showing the motif covering the “jigsaw”
All this work was obviously done at home in my workshop. However I still attended rehearsals twice a week, and while I was waiting to rehearse my cameo part (a bear!) I was working on a wig for Fiona.
reference images for the pony tail treatment
I had chosen an older synthetic wig mainly for its colour. It had become quite tangled so I was cleaning and combing it bit by bit whilst the rehearsals were progressing. I found that by using a light oil I could comb out the tangles in the wig without pulling too much of the hair out. Once all this was complete, I started to plait parts of the wig and these plaits were wound around the head, leaving the long back hair to be gathered at the nape of the neck, as shown in reference image 1, but with the ends doubled back up to the nape as shown in image 2. I made snoods to match each costume to cover the “tail”.
Next came the crown. Again I searched for reference images to help with the design. I wanted something strong that would add to Averice’s character, rather than a pretty tiara type crown, which would not do at all. In the end I decided to base the design on Ravenna’s crown (Snow White and the Huntsman).
Ravenna, crown and a glimpse of hairstyle
I made it from shiny, stiff card, which was actually some bobbin lace pattern pricking card that I had got from somewhere somewhen. I painted the card with bronze acrylic paint and added some braid with marcasite-like stones attached and a bead/pendant from an old necklace, which I painted with pearlised nail varnish. I had to stick a couple of loops on the inside of the crown, so that we could use hair grips to fix the crown onto Fiona’s wig, which was itself fixed to her “wig cap”. That’s in quotation marks because the wig cap was in fact a holdup stocking. The non-slip “stuff” on the inside of the stocking is just the thing to hold onto the actor’s head/hair. With hair grips fixing the wig to the cap it will not slip off. (touch wood!)
Finally the makeup. I looked for various types of makeup for Averice, looking at “Wicked Queen” references and also “drag” makeup (which I find great for exaggerated Panto styles). In the end I picked the image that would give Fiona permanently bad tempered eyebrows. I’m not a speedy MUA so although it would have been good to have fantastic eye makeup, there wouldn’t be time to do it and get Fiona dressed and crowned in time for curtain up.
Makeup reference image – it’s the eyebrows you knowAvarice Crown Wig and Makeup. See what I mean about the eyebrows?
I’m going to have to tell you about my bear costume and the other bits I helped with in these Pantos in another post as I’ve run out of space and time with this one, watch this space.
I have been slowly stitching down the applique flower pieces for my Indian Paintbrush landscape piece. You can see prior steps here.
I started by laying out the background flower applique pieces for distant flowers. I still haven’t decided if there is more stitching needed for stems and leaves. I’m waiting until I have the foreground flowers in place. I don’t want to add too much detail to the background.
I used very simple straight stitching to adhere these small flowers. I purposely made the stitches longer than the fabric as Indian Paintbrush have a frayed edge. I tried to make the stitches random sizes and directions.
Next up was to add the center flower. I went ahead and added the two stems on the right side to make sure I had the flowers in the right place. All of the placement of applique pieces was done by eye. I didn’t try to mark where they were to go as the markings usually tend to stay when I don’t want them to. I appliqued the cotton organdy applique pieces in place with small stitches, a very fine needle, and one strand of cotton floss.
Then it was a matter of continuing to add pieces and stitching them in place. I listen to podcasts while I’m doing hand stitching as it is definitely “slow stitch”.
The center flower is now completely stitched down.
Here’s a closer view of the flower and the stitching. It’s possible that I could add more detailed stitching over the top of the foreground flowers but I haven’t decided yet. I should have made a sample so I could try out some different ideas but I forgot and I don’t think I have any more green silk for a sample piece. That’s what I get for not planning enough!
The last time I showed you my May page, I just had a little to go. Once I finished the stitching I cut away most of the stabilizer so I wouldn’t have to rinse it as much to get it all out of the felt.
And this is it all done. It’s a bit sparse but I like it well enough.
The tulips are for the tulip festival we have every year. Many are sent as a gift of thanks from the Netherlands. The Dutch Royal family was in exile in Canada during WWII. We designated part of our hospital as part of the Netherlands so Princess Margriet would be born on home soil.
The maple leaf and crown are for Queen Victoria’s Birthday. She gave us self-governance so we have a holiday.
And of course Mother’s Day, at least here in North America.
I picked out a new piece of felt for my June page. I have some ideas for June. I was thinking I may do some more needle felting this month along with the stitching but I am not sure yet. I like the way the fiber goes across leaving lots of the white background showing. I did this a long time ago but I am pretty sure the fibres are silk. The other thing I am not sure of is which way is up. the difference is more pronounced in person
The other thing I did was add some yarn to the antlers of my moose bag. I think it is all I will do. I like him the way he is. Not very ambitious but there you go. I may add something to the other side of the bag. The yarn is handspun silk. I am not sure how well it will stand up to being on the bag.
April is now gone and May will hopefully bring more sun and more flowers.
I started the month with some felt stars. It was a fun little project and might work for a fast free workshop. Maybe at a guild social. You can read about how I made them here
Next was an eyeglasses holder for beside my bed. It was an interesting project with some strange wool. Here it is hanging up beside my bed. I didn’t realise how dusty the bookcase was until I took a picture. Then I had to dust and take it again. The things I do for our followers. LOL
I taught 2 workshops this month, Nunofelt Scarf and Felt Birdhouse/Feeder workshop. We had a lot of fun. Here are the ladies with their finished scarves. Sorry, I forgot to get a group shot.
And the finished Birdhouse/feeders.
After teaching I decided to treat myself to a Workshop. I signed up for Helene’s Felt Spiral Workshop. I really enjoyed making my spiral. I learned a lot along the way. It is wonderful to see how different people do things. It would be wonderful if we all lived close enough to get together regularly.
I couldn’t get the movie to work so here is a still.
With April finished I have another completed page for my slow stitch collection. I decided to include a little needle felting this time. I included some flowers but also the solar eclipse we had here, a cloud and rain because we have had a lot of April showers and my purple umbrella to keep me dry. I really do have a purple umbrella. I added the Autism Awareness infinity symbol because it is autism awareness month. Then I was left with an empty spot at the bottom and I couldn’t figure out what to put there. I did a special days in April search and on the last day of the month, I was reminded of the first day of the month and added the fake glasses nose and moustache for April Fools.
and lastly, because it is spring this last week we have started having lambs.
And these are my current bottle babies. Sven( thanks to Jan for the name) who no one would claim. He is doing a good imitation of a Valies Black Nose with his black nose and knees. And Henna whose mother hates her( probably because she is really good at yelling at the top of her lungs for no reason) Once they are both drinking well and down one feeding per day ( they are on 5 times a day right now) they will go live in a lambing pen until they are a little bigger then they can join a group.
My March stitch page was done in time. I did the last thing on March 31. After doing February as a Valentine’s theme I thought I would do March as a St Patrick’s Day theme. so having an odd sense of humour I decided on green threads on an orange background. I am not sure which side of that( orange or green) would care the most. but after looking at symbols for St Pat’s I decided to give up on that idea and look for other March symbols. March has a lot going on. This is where the quiz comes in. I am not going to tell you what each thing represents as we go. You have to guess at the end. I will make a bit of a break in the post and then put the answers and you can see how many you got right.
I don’t have as many progress pictures as I might as I do most of it out and about. I did start with a shamrock. They are quite easy as they are 3 harts and a stem.
Before I remembered to take a picture I also added this dagger. I knew I bought silvery thread for a reason other than it was pretty.
Then 2 more important days were added.
Then there is this one that is so important to remember for all our struggles past and future. With a nod to my LBGTQ friends
This last symbol is for some great kids I drive to school. It didn’t turn out quite as I wanted but it was a new stitch for me.
The last thing is not a symbol. It was just a flower that popped up in my FB news feed and I decided to try it. It was easy and effective.
Here is the whole thing, followed by a numbered picture for your guesses.
Scroll down to see the answers
Shamrock for St Patrick’s Day
A Dagger for the Ides of March( Beware!)
Pi, for Pie Day: March 14 ( 3.14)
The symbol for women for International Women’s Day
Easter egg for Easter and spring fertility
The symbol for Down Syndrome for Down Syndrome Awareness Day
Although a number of people didn’t think I needed any leaves on my embroidered tree, I decided to go ahead with the leaves.
I used a lighter value yellow green to contrast a bit with the blue green background. The thread is a #8 hand dyed perle cotton. I’m not sure that you can see the variations in the thread color as it is subtle but it’s not a solid color. I used a solid fishbone stitch to create the leaves. I decided not to mark the leaf shape on the background fabric, thus there are some that are a bit wonky, but that doesn’t bother me.
Here’s a closer look at the stitching.
And here’s the piece after the stitching is finished. If you can see, the width of the fabric shrunk a bit with the stitching. The piece of fabric was barely wide enough to make a cover for my tablet to begin with and now I decided it wasn’t going to work to make a cover. So my first quarter challenge effort was a bit of a fail.
But never fear, the piece fit into a frame that I already had so it was a good use of stuff lying around the studio. I realize that I could have made a cover for the tablet and added the tree to the front but I wasn’t sure I would use the cover and the framed piece can always go to one of the galleries.
I suddenly realized that it’s already March and nearing the end of the first quarter. So I needed to get going on my entry for the 1st quarter challenge. Did I have something that needed a cover? Perhaps my tablet needs a little felt surrounding it and keeping it safe.
I found these two pieces of nuno felt in my stash that were already cut to approximately the right size. I found a copyright free design of two entwined trees that I decided would be nice to embroider a design on the cover. I traced the design on tracing paper and pinned it in place.
Then I used machine thread in dark brown with a running stitch to follow the design. It works for a fairly simple design but might be an issue for really complex designs. I used brown thread so that if it showed on the edges of the stitching, it wouldn’t stand out. You can remove any of these threads if the embroidery doesn’t cover them. I have found with thin pieces of the design such as branches, that it works best to have just one line of running stitch and it takes less time to stitch the design.
The next step is to remove the tracing paper. I saw this on a YouTube video but don’t remember who to credit for the idea (Sorry!). Use your needle to run along the line of running stitches and that will tear the tracing paper so that it is easier to remove the paper without pulling on the stitches as much.
Here’s my design now transferred on to the nuno felt and ready to embroider. I considered using various brown yarns to couch down but they were too large a scale for this small of a tree. So back to my stash to find brown perle cotton thread. I ended up deciding that #8 perle cotton was the size that worked best and that I had the right colors in.
So I started with the darkest brown threads and started couching them down with the brown machine thread. I did a little bit of this on a recent car trip but did most of the couching after I got back home.
So here’s the finished tree trunk and branches. Now to add some leaves. Once I have finished with the embroidery, I will work on construction of the cover.
If you recall I did a small slow stitch piece in January. Look here if you missed it: https://feltingandfiberstudio.com/2024/01/26/slow-stitch-on-felt/ I enjoyed it so much that I thought I should do one a month. They are not very big, 4 inches by 5 inches or 10 cm by 13 cm. The base and all the bits and pieces fit in a sandwich bag in my purse.
February has Valentine’s Day so I decided on a heart theme. I rummaged through some offcuts and found this piece with lots of silk embedded in the surface.
I then had fun going through my threads to pick out my colour palette. Mostly pinks and a contrast. Later I will add a dark blue as a contrast.
As you can imagine with this being a slow stitch project and a portable one I didn’t take as many pictures as I should have but I think I have enough to show my progress through the month.
I wasn’t sure where to start so added the month and a felt heart with a simple outline stitch heart to make it pop a little. You can see I was thinking about the second heart when I remembered to take a picture
Some were online I saw someone stitching over an object and wanted to try it. I wove some pink floss over it. I didn’t like the white and did try to carefully cut it out but that did not work at all. The cardboard was much too stiff.
so I did some unstitching and then tried again. this time I took a Ferrero Rocher Chocolate wrapper and after smoothing it out some, covered the heart. and tried again.
Just as an aside I was very disappointed in my Quality Street chocolates this year when I discovered they were in waxed paper. One of my favourite things to do at Christmas as a child and now was to flatten and smooth out the foil and transparent plastic wrapper. I know it’s more environmentally responsible to not use shiny plastic and foil but it is just not the same.
Anyway here is my foil heart.
I added more hearts as the month went on.
You can see in the last picture I added some multi-strand multi-coloured colonial knots, here’s a close-up. I didn’t like them they just didn’t seem to have anything to do with the other part of the piece. I was hoping the multi-colours would tie them in but it didn’t.
So out they came. I decided that scattering little X’s around to represent kisses would work better.
Here is the finished piece for February.
I know there are no X’s on the left edge but I did that on purpose, with a view to making them a book later and that would be the bound edge. So now I am on to March, You will have to wait to see what it ends up.