April 2024 New Wheel (cleaning and starting the sanding)

April 2024 New Wheel (cleaning and starting the sanding)

Pre-scrips – sorry in my face-planting-the-keyboard-tiredness last night, as i put this up (it was a long day of shopping then spellchecking!!) i forgot that some of you may not have discovered felting through spinning so my post may sound like arcane language of mystic origins (not very clear on the parts i am talking about). so i made you a map!!! i hope this will help alleviate confusion.

list of parts of this castle wheel

*18)Parts of the Tumbalena Castle style Spinning wheel

Aw yes, some of you caught the mention of a new wheel near the end of the post about the Peterborough Fiber Festival 2024.  Recently, there have been a number of wheels listed for sale on the local guild Facebook Group. We had a local professional weaver and spinner who had to retire due to her health and had a huge studio sale with fibre, looms, wheels, books and other equipment.  it was a huge sale and I should show you the pictures, but not today. I did not get the wheels that were there. (Books, yarn and some small course carders followed me home.)

In early April, I spotted a post on the OVWSG (local guild) Facebook group. It was a listing with a number of other spinning items for sale. The equipment had belonged to the poster’s Mother. (I think she had been active with the Richmond guild, which is a small guild just south of the west end of Ottawa.) Amongst her Mom’s equipment, she had listed 3 wheels. Two were older Saxony wheels, smaller than a CPW (Canadian production wheels usually from Quebec).  They looked interesting but the third wheel was a little castle wheel, which drew my eye. It is quite similar in size and style to my Lendrum Rook (also a small castle wheel), which I love.

These are the photos of the wheel from the post, I am sure you can see why I was intrigued.

3 vews of thumbalena spinning wheel for sellers add 1) Pictures in the post from the seller of the wheel.

I contacted the seller and arranged to meet her at 3 pm on Tuesday. Grate all set. Then early Tuesday morning I got a call from my car’s Doctor, her replacement parts were in and he would be there shortly. Oh no Car spa day and wheel shopping day are on the same day! Drat! Ok, Hameed is pretty amazing and said he may have her finished by 3 pm. I let the seller know. Sure enough, she had her new footwear(Tires), ball joint replacement ( shoulder surgery) and minor repertory issue (part of the muffler pipe replaced) fixed in time and I was off to look at a wheel!!

All the wheels had been stored for a while, not in a house.  That is to say, a farm-out building that was dry but unheated; all needed a good cleaning.  They also looked like they would be good wheels once cleaned. The little upright castle had this odd configuration of the footman (the shaft that connects the crank at the wheel hub to the treadle) that went through the table!!!  She also had a built in lazy Kate (to hold 2 bobbins for plying). The wheel showed 3 bobbins in the pictures since there was one on the flyer too.

Oh yes, she is cute! Her joints are a bit loose, but that should be fixable. There are previous brakes in the flyer, which have been repaired with glue, which is very unfortunate but the price was good so if I need to replace the flyer I could beg help from Judy Kavanagh. (She has good prices for reconstructed flyers and bobbins.) There was also a bobbin rack (it was probably a huge lazy kate with more bobbins on it. A couple of the extra bobbins look like they will fit this wheel.)

I selected the little castle wheel, and the bobbin rack, I checked the books, magazines and knitting patterns for anything the guild would be interested in and found a bit that should be helpful. She sent me home with a bag of mystery fibre as well.

8 bobbin rack or lazy kate sitting in the back of my car 2) Bobbin Rack or very big lazy Kate, also needs cleaning.

Once home, I grabbed a spare tarp and set her up with the mystery fibre in front of the front door bench. It was time to give her a good spin.  The maidens are loose, and the orifice hook is missing but a paper clip will work for now. Let’s see how she spins.

Ah, this is not some strangely fine short type of merino, it looks like cotton, cool!  Possibly pema, Nice!!!

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3.1-3.2) The test spinning of the Wheel and unknown fibre

When I first was taught to spin, it was on a drop spindle. I was still allergic to wool, so was handed a handful of cotton and told to “use this”. Not knowing that cotton is quite different to spin than wool I developed an enthusiasm with twist, which I have taken years to try to unlearn. Now that I have been spinning with wool for quite a while, it took me a moment to remember spinning with clumps from a bump of cotton.  She is a nice little comfortable wheel and was quite happy to spin cotton.

creemy white fiber short staple, looks like cotton probubly pema sitting on tarp with a corner of the remains of the cloth bag that it was in. 4) Unknown fibre seems very similar to Pema Cotton.

Carlene posted that she thought the wheel was likely a Thumbelina wheel by Sleeping Beauty Spinning Wheels of New Zealand. Approx. 1978 I was able to find assembly instructions, online, and have printed them out.

Now what to do about that needed cleaning? It’s getting late so let’s find the cleaning supplies tomorrow.

I gathered Murphy’s oil soap, soft scrubby pad, and paper towels, and suggested Glenn’s morning walk should be in the direction of Lee Valley tools (yes I live within walking distance of both Ikea and Lee Valley!! Please do not die of location envy, it’s a very small house, and quite a busy road.) Glenn returned with a multi-pack of fine sandpaper “18-Pc. Sample Pack of Mirka Fine Wet/Dry Sandpaper” The pack contained 2 sheets of 320x, 400x, 600x, 800x, 1000x, 1200x, 1500x, 2000x and 2500x grit sheets (www.leevalley.com). Am I missing anything?

I took a workshop with Alison James (the care of spinning wheels) and watched carefully last year for tips as Deborah gave each of the guild wheels that went up for sale a spa day. I have a wheel that looks like a mud river spinner (like an Indian head spinner) but it has the wrong drive wheel. Its original was likely replaced at some point. I took that one to Alison’s class to see if we could improve its spinning, it likely just needs a new drive wheel which is a big repair, but in the meantime I had sanded that one to a butter soft finish. So even if it doesn’t spin well it feels fabulous and looks good.

BC wheel, partly disasembled for cleening and sanding.5) BC Spinning Wheel, it seems to be called either a Mud River spinner or a Cowichan spinning wheel.

fine files originaly used to sharpen chainsaws 6) For her workshop Alison also used files, originally they were used to sharpen chain saws. Alison used them to clean out the centre of bobbins. (It was amazing how much gunge was in there).

During one of the socials, I was gifted a piece of “Round Abrasive Cord”, which I am trying to track down more of this magical cordage. It looks like Amazon and Lee Valley both have some in various diameters and grists. I have to figure out what size and grist I should use,  I will have to investigate this further. It helps get into some of the groves in the spindle turnings. (Remember, don’t use it on the spots the drive band will sit)

This time I had a foam nail file with a medium course unlabeled grit to it. It smoothed out a couple of little dings and removed a bit of white paint drip. It was also coarser than the 320gr sandpaper and worked very well on the underside of the table and mother of all (neither felt like it had been sanded before). It was also helpful in smoothing the glue or epoxies used to repair the brakes in the flyer.

very close up of former brakes in flyer7) Previous brakes in both arms of the flyer (before cleaning or sanding)

I started the cleaning by giving the wheel a good wipe with Murphy’s oil soap.

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8.1- 8.2) I elevated the wheel on the salt box and used either the paper towels or the scrubby to loosen and then remove the dirt.

To give better access to the mother of all (the part that holds the maddens, which hold the flyer and bobbin) I took off the front madden. I am tempted to try to find the right tool to take off the build in lazy Kate too, but at the moment, I am still working around the support posts.

wheel parts taken off the wheel ready to clean9.1 Bobbins, flyer, lazy Kate support rods, the front maiden, whirl and orifice hook without the hook sitting in front of the rest of the wheel.

clsoe up of the mother of all with the front maiden removed 9.2 ) Close-up of the mother of all and the back maiden.

Back of table with fly specks (small black spots_ half has already been cleened10.1) Close up, of the back of the table with flyspeck. The part closed is partly cleaned, the far side is still dirty.

more scrubing has improved the look of the wheel 10.2) A bit more scrubbing (I think it’s still called elbow grease) and I had removed the fly spots, (little black dots).

pots on the drive way are being added to 11) As I continued to work, the great plant migration continued.

I got most of the wheel wiped down and called it a day.

Next trip into the guild studio I took the wheel and its parts.  After getting a section of the guild library database work done, I started with the foam nail file and the 300 grit sandpaper.

front maden sitting with sandpaper at guild social 12) The front maiden, cleaning and beginning the sanding.

I have torn the sandpaper into thin strips. I have strips going up to 2500grit. I had spent most of the day working on the database so did not get as much sanding done as I has hoped.

The next week I was back in at the guild and I did the same thing, worked on the library most of the day then switched to working on the wheel for part of the social. This time I worked on the mother of all.  I was working slowly towards 1200 or 1500 grit. It is now feeling buttery smooth and makes other parts of the wheel feel really rough!

continuing to work on Mother of all13) Working on the mother of all

Moving on to the next week, Library first, then I can work on the wheel and I added the knitty-knoty I bought in Peterborough. It was very cute but not as smooth as I would have liked, I can fix that! More Sandpaper!

Knitty Nkotty sitting beside stips of sandpaper and extra nail files14) the new Knitty-knotty in pieces and I got replacement foam and cardboard nail files.

I kept working on accessories and got a couple of the bobbins up to about 1500 grit smooth…… butter!!!  Note I am not sanding the centre core of the bobbin where the yarn winds on till it’s super smooth. I did spend time cleaning it.  The leader on a super smooth surface, even properly tied, will want to slip, which is not helpful at all to spinning.

arrows indicate not to sand in the grove where the drive band sits and the center shaft of the bobin where the leader will go.15) Sanding is great but not in all spots.

The drive band has to be able to grip the bobbin, whirl and drive wheel. The bobbin core has to be grippy enough to hold the leader without slipping. So don’t get too gungho and sand every surface!!!

mounten due pop and wood cleaner in seperate bottles16) A brief FYI, I am fueling all this sanding with the help of “Green”.

Which is a well-caffeinated and sugar-laden beverage! I probably should not have the drink so close to the cleaner. I am sure the flavour would not be as tasty with one, and the cleaning properties would be disappointing, with the other.

close up of stips of various fine grit sandpapers17) working my way to finer and finer sandpaper

And the sanding continues!  It will likely be a couple more weeks of intermittent sanding before I have the wheel ready to add the finish.  It is now time to visit garden centers, get ready for the May Guild meeting and today I did a quick drive down to another fibre festival. There was a bit of shopping (Ann was advocating for even more shopping!!!), and a fleece followed me home so there will be washing to be done soon too!

Once the sanding is completely done, to a grit fineness that feels fabulous, I will post again and show you how I am going to finish her.

Have fun enjoy spring and keep felting!

15 thoughts on “April 2024 New Wheel (cleaning and starting the sanding)

  1. Thanks Jan for all this useful information. I have a Wee Peggy wheel which is sitting in my loft – has been since shortly after I found out about felting – and will need lots of TLC before I can use it again. It’s good to know that I’ll have your posts to refer back to, and I must see if our local hardwear store stocks Murphy’s. I’ve never heard of it before and it looks very useful.
    That really is a pretty little wheel you have there. I’ve never seen one with the footman passing through the table, but I suppose that design makes it even more compact.
    Looking forward to the next episode.
    Ann

    1. Thanks Ann,
      Ohh a Wee Peggy is a nice little wheel too!! it will definatly be worth getting her running.

      there are probubly other usefull wood cleaning products if Murphy’s oil soap is not obtainable. consulting a good woodworking shop or ferniture restoration profesional would likly give you more options. Murphys is just popular around here.
      i think the peirce the table with the footmand is a bit more complicated to make but it should make the footman more protected during transpertation.

      now about that spa day for your wheel
      step 1 inspect the wheel, look for loose, broken or missing parts (see if you can replace anything missing or broken. there are a few wheel restorers avalible check with your local guild.) order anything you need and go on to step 2.
      Step 2 cleen the wheel, sometimes this and oiling is all a wheel will need. damp cloth for just a good layer of dust, to wood clearner for those more intence cleening needs (loom kept under bird cage…. yes i did cleen one of those too.)
      step 3 reinspect the wheel, was cleening all it needed? grate just skip ahead to polish and oil, if not bring out the sand paper…
      step 4 Sand, repeating with finer and finer grist untill you have the smoothness you want. (you dont have to get the wheel to feel like butter, no splinters can be exceptible to some).
      Step 5 finishing diside on the type of finish you or the wheel wants and aply it. i will talk about some of the options when i get to finishing my new wheel.
      step 6 lubricate as instructed by manufacuror (a few modern wheels dont want you to oil them everywhere!)
      step 7 find a comfortable spot select some fiber you are not felting with and spin!

      i hope you and Wee Peggy have fun with some of your fiber hord!! check to see if there is a spin in (where spinners get together and spin and chat) near by. they can likly help get you going if you need a bit of help with the wheel. have fun!!

    1. Thanks! i think i may just like sanding. but i am now considering a small electric or battery sander….. i wish i could do a vidio so you could feel how smooth those bobin tops are now. tecnology is not quite there yet.

  2. Hey Jan,
    I just returned from my spinning week at John C Campbell Folk School. What a timely blog post for me to read…and I was able to follow along with ease. (I think Brian will be interested in the round abrasive cord you mentioned.) I will surely be writing about my experience, as it taught me so much about wheels and spinning. Our instructor, Lesley Darling, refurbishes old wheels she’s been gifted and brings them back to life. The most important thing I learned from her: find the wheel that works best for your body and spinning style. What works for one person may not work for another. Who knew it could be like buying shoes?

    Your description is valuable to our readers, as you are showing the pitfalls (or work required) when buying used wheels. Lesley said it’s always a good idea to ask the sellers to spin a few minutes for you. That tells if they REALLY know about the wheel, they are selling you. If they can’t negotiate down!

    Capi

    1. Good idea to get the seller to show how the wheel spinns. normaly i would have given her a test spin before i bot her but i gave her a good check including wheel truness and the broken flyer. i knew i could fix the loose madens, and the flyer can be replaced if i cant do a bit of bracing. i could have just given her a good wipe and spun from there, but i think she will be so much prityer with a full clean sanding and refinishing.

      ohh a hole week of spinning and at the Folk School! i am envious!! well done! i look forword to seeing your report on the cours and hopefuly lots of photos!!

      yes some wheels just are not ergonomicly correct for all people, its the same with looms. try before you buy is best. there are aslo good resons to get a wheel from a current manufature like Ashford or Louete (you can order any part that needs replacing or get upgrades!) old wheels can be worth it too, but may requier more work or more mony to get replacement parts (ususaly fix flyer or make more bobins), it you love the way it looks or its a family treausre than its worth the extra work and cost to get her running and looking her best.

      i am looking forword to your report on the foke school and i hope there will be pictrures. (i spoted a few workshops that i would like to have taken so maybe next year?)

  3. Nice to see what’s needed to clean up an older spinning wheel. I hope you enjoy your new wheel once it’s finished.

    1. Thanks Ruth! its will be worth the bit of sanding (you realy dont have to get it the smoothness im heading for!) and refinishing. an audio book make sanding seem much faster!! the cost is not exorbident ether, and lots left over in case i need to give another wheel a spa day!

  4. Thanks Jan for your custom Wee Peggy spa course. I’m sorely tempted to get her up and running again, maybe soon.
    Ann

    1. Definatly have a spa day for your wheel! its an excuse to sit in the garden or on a porch and enjoy spring while you give your lovely wheel a treet. she may only need a good wipe and a bit of lubrication to happily spin with you!

    1. Thanks she is very cute, and i am trying to figure out how to show how buttery the tops of her bobins feel.
      other than Thumbalena, i am not sure about names, considering what i named the furry kids, i may not be the best one to chose names!

  5. Looks like your hard work with the cleaning is paying off Jan. I don’t know much about spinning but I do know that in the UK we use a “Niddy-Noddy” and I’m guessing that’s what you refer to in Canada as a “Knitty-Notty”. It makes me smile in either language! Have fun with your new wheel.

    1. thanks Karen! i had planned to set up the outside studio and sand out there. but guild work, rain, trying to get the plants planted have all made that more challenging. we did have a lovely visit with one of my brotherinlaws and his wife so it was not all work!
      we have such cool words for spinning and weaving. spinnning has mother of all’s, maidens, footmen, orifice! weaving is a bit more violent with Slaying a reed or heddle, and hitting the fel line with a beater. my Warp weighted loom has a sword beeter!!
      this week after i had worked on the library most of the day i finished the social by starting to work on the flyer which had been previously mended. the foam nail files did a grate job taking out the apoxy/glue residue from the serface of the brakes, i am still working on the drip on the end of the flyer. she will be a lovely wheel again shortly. and it looks like another day of rain and dizzle so maybe i should get inspiered and try to cleen the house or at least a bit of the house?that way i will have a spot ready for her to sit and spin when i am done.

  6. Ooooh….I was enjoying the language until you mentioned housework!!🤣
    It really does sound like a secret society with all those wonderful names and terms which mean absolutely zilch to me! I’ve just got home from a three day retreat with a bunch of “beading” friends and again it was as if they were talking in code half of the time🤔

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