
Blacksmithing and working on the dino-purse…oops
This past weekend was Father’s Day and to celebrate we went off to the Glengarry Pioneer Museum to watch a blacksmithing event. This year the workshop was to create a replica antique door latch (Norfolk Latch). It was a 2 day workshop and fascinating to watch most of it. Blacksmiths and blacksmithing are very photogenic, with about 430 shots from Saturday and only 290 from Sunday (the battery died and the backup was in a similar state of uselessness. Don’t panic!!! I promise I will not show you all the photos but there were a few that you might enjoy.
1 the Norfolk Latch that was being recreated, a rolled collar on round stalk (it will be part of the handle)
2 brushing scale off the tenon of the handle created a spark, tongs in front of a lit coal forge.
There were 10 students, an instructor and an assistant. There were also blacksmiths who were not participating but were still watching and enjoying the demonstrations.
3 thick smoke hanging in the air from 10 coal forges starting up.
This is not more smoke from the wildfires, this is 10 coal forges starting up under one side-less barn building.
After the weekend of photography, it was back to fun in the guild library. I added a new magazine, got the library open and ready to use, collected incoming books and got the outgoing ones ready to put into the circulation file. Since the library is now in hand I would get a chance to draw out a couple of options for the wet felting purse. (See I did get to felting!) I had wanted to try the Stegosaurus 3d bag which will be much trickier than the manta ray purse option. Remember I like my felting dry, I can wet felt but making my own shape for a resist is not a common occurrence. Let’s see if I can work this through (With little math and minimal spelling!)
Option 1: this was a more cartoon proportion of a stegosaurus.
4 very simple shape with legs the same length front and back.
Option 2: is still quite cartoonish but the back legs are closer to correct
5 still simplified but more anatomically correct than the previous Stegosaurs.
Next, the phone test;
6 laying the phone over the two drawings from #4 and 5 to make sure the phone will fit.
As much as I prefer the more realistic version, there is better space in the more cartoon one. Ok, so I should polish that one up a bit more.
7 expanding the scrap paper so I can add a better angle and length of the tail and the tops of 2 plates.
Next, trim the sides so I can figure out the gussets for both the back and belly
8 taped strip of paper to figure out the belly gusset of the dinosaur.
First attempt at the belly gusset;
9 estimating gusset for under tail, body, neck and head.
I checked the fit by using painter’s tape to set in the belly with the side
10 Belly gusset fits nicely with the side.
Once I liked the belly I started to work on the back gusset and taped that in to check the fit.
11 inside view with back and belly gussets in.
12 adding width to the head and marked where a zipper would go if I choose to use one.
I wondered if I could attach the belly with the body between the legs and see if I could join the two parts
13 The belly is attached at the belly and behind the legs but not on the neck and tail.
The belly strip would only be half the width but I would have to raze the tail and head. But that might work. I will get a second opinion from Ann when she arrives. I had a quick message chat with Ann to review percentages and shrinkage for firm felting. We decided on 50%. So, I needed to scale up from the finished paper size. I started by measuring the longest and tallest sections.
14 the longest line through the body and the height through the front leg.
I then took it further and graphed the general shape so it would be easier to scale up
15 1-inch graph added to the body.
I tried to estimate the height and length but was having trouble scaling up the legs and still having space for the belly…. Ah. I started at the centre and between the legs and worked out from there.
16 I have most of the body estimated adding half to each side. The graph is making it easier to scale up.
17 This is what I had graphed out by the time Ann arrived. (there was a lot of measuring and adding while I was unsupervised.)
18 Ann lay the paper mock-up on top of the resist
Ann (who is very experienced with wet felting resists) said she thot something looked a bit off. Other than the spikes I was sure I had carefully added the same amount all the way around. Oh…. You meant to add half of what I had, not half on all sides. Sorry, I think I am thinking in 3-D again.
So I now have a shoulder bag-sized dinosaur, not a phone and i-pod audiobook reader sized bag. Well, I could add wool and a couple of spindles at this size but I probably better go back and reconsider my math. I will probably just use the calculator I found last week and had meant to use and totally forgot! (I should never trust my own ability with numbers it is just as bad as my interpretation of spelling! It’s like interpretative dance only much more interpretative.)
So it’s back to the drawing board! Or, I could make it all out of dry… no be brave! I can always wear gloves and keep dry!! I will have to have a little pause and get back to working on 3 more chickadees which I may need for this coming weekend. I just need more hours in the day but for tonight it’s way past my bedtime and I will shortly either fall backwards off my stool or face-plant my keyboard. I will keep you updated with the horrors of math or if I just decide I will make a bigger purse!
Have fun and keep felting!
15 thoughts on “Blacksmithing and working on the dino-purse…oops”
Gor! My brain hurts just trying to follow what your doing. As usual Jan an interesting and fun post. I wonder where you go from here.
Ann
thanks and Sorry!!
i am trying to reverse enginear while probubly leaning too much towords sewing patterns. Ann suggested just add more to the body to alow for the gusset and then shape as you shrink which may be the better alternative. i may make one at the size of my “Finished” size and try a cuple ideas to see how they progress. the lack of math and missinterpritation of instructions just make this all more intersting!
i can also look at adding the plates, spikes and legs as the body starts to felt.
wate till i realy get going thinking about adding extra strngth (i like to spin with spindle my frends refer to as boat ankers so i need a strong bag). i woke up this morning thinking i should add the feet as wood with wheels on them so if the pers is too big i can just make it a harness and drag it around with me. ….. that idea may get further consideration, it would make for a lovely shopping basket at fiber festivals!! it was probubly just not enuff sleep or the carmal popcorn i ate while posting the blog last night. there are just too many intersting ideas and not enuff time to work on them all.
I’m glad you didn’t face plant your keyboard Jan or else we might have lost this fascinating post!
First a foray into the blacksmithing world – hot work with fabulous results I’m sure. I hope the smoke didn’t last too long!
Great ‘cartoons’ and here I use the historical version of the word (Italian word, cartone, which translates to a large, full-sized drawing done on sturdy paper….Michelangelo used them for all his painted work!)
Scaling up or down can be a pain – you did a great job, sadly just not the righty size, but practice makes perfect….and on the brighter side….you have a resist for a Mummy Dino bag. I can see you with a family of Dinos🤪
You are rite! using my face to type is not a good option and would be even more confusing to resd than what i actualy get up to. i was hopefull the smithing would be fun to see (but not all the photos).
i agree Cartoons are a good way to transer images i just have to find a pouncer! i think i have a wheel with little teethpins to make the hold in the cartoon or i could just use a pin.
yes i think i may just make a cuple sizes, you can never have too many dinosaurs!! but i msut not get too distracted and finish these chikidiees up first! (dry felting i am so much more in my feeling of comfort, wet felting is fun but i always find i am wishing it was dryer)
To watch blacksmiths at work is fascinating – lovely photos Jan 🙂
Oh the horrors of making a complicated resist – it’s not easy – kudos to you for your determination to work in wet felt. Very much looking forward to seeing how you progress with this project – we could all learn a lot from this Jan.
thank you both! i agree i was perfectly happy watching and fotographing the members of the Ontario Artist Blacksmith Association, who were the ones taking and putting on the latch workshop. its a bit like felting, the end product can be complicated like that latch but when you do little steps in the correct order you get somthing that will open your door. (or if i am lucky with my felting, hold my fone and some other stuff)
the first thing to lurn is that when Ann agrees that 50% shrinkage will make a good firm felt, she did not mean 50% on each side! (Sneeky math!! i am sure the numbers are sitting there laffing at me! i will show them! usualy for weaving i use a string with nots to calculating warp lenghts no numbers at all to mess up my calculations!!! for one of my recuring inkle woven projects i have a string tied to the loom with nots as spasific spots so i have my patten string for reffence (still no numbers involved)
I have a fear of watching blacksmiths at work, the last time my other half and I did that was at a Medieval Fair, it was a lot of fun to see all the sparks and the bending of iron… until Manny started complaining, many hours later, that his eye felt funny and hurt a bit. Fast forward a few hours more and he’s at the A&E (hospital emergency) being told that if he had a piece of metal embedded in his eye and, had he waited a couple more hours, he’d have gone blind. Eek! 😮
I loved watching your brain at work, Jan. To me, making needle felted sculptures was a lot of fun because I could go straight into 3D work. I don’t do well in 2D-to-3D thinking so I highly commend your pattern making efforts! Looking forward to seeing that dinosaur come to life 🙂
Not *if* he had a piece of metal, he indeed *had* a piece of metal in his eye! (Sorry, didn’t spot the mistake before pressing Enter…)
EEEK thats Tarrable!! i am so glad He got it out and saved his vision. when the instructor was showing the part with the rolled coller, he added a form of boax as flux to forge weld it. he made sure all the participents and those closes to the demonstation were waring glasses (prefrable safy glasses) he had every one else step back.i had glasses and was hideing behind my camera. safty is vary improtant and should extend to the spectators as well as the participents.
what i have for a paper pattern coould be addapted into a sewing pattern but it will still need a bit more thinking to get to the resist for a felting pattern.
one of the more recent theaorys about dislexia is that we are always thinking in 3-D and have trubble flattening our would to see your 2 -D world correctly. this makes sence to me since when i am asked what are the most problimatic letters i say its the ball and stick letters (i have never said its the cercle and line lettters), bdpq it the same shape jsut seen from difernt sides or it fell over (so why would anyone beleave its not the same letter?). i am not fond of u,n, or m,w,E,3 which can be problimatic in some fonts, t and f are also evil (not in a nice furry way). so the make it 3-d and than flatten it to see what shape it turns into seemed like a good option to start my resist investigation.
i spent quite a few years trying to figure out seam placements in paintings and drawings to reverse enginear medieval dresses as well as tutor and renisonce gowns. some times its good to not think to much about the socpe of the undertakeing and just jump in and try it. there is so much more informtion avalible its not quite as danting when you jump.
i am shifting to dry felting to finish off the chickadees then it back to figureing out the bag! or maybe bags!!!
Great post Jan. so i said to increase the dino pattern by 50% and I think you did 100%. I think maybe when I said 50% you though ok I have to double it. It would still make a good bag just not as small. I think if you make the head and tail end fatter( distorted) when you open it, the width will make it the right size again. then just put the gusset from the base of the neck to the base of the tail. We will talk about it again and maybe I can explain better. I think in the end it will be great.
I usually use the photocopier to increase pattern sizes. You can increase by different percentages. The main problem with that is if the pattern gets bigger than 8.5 x 11. Then you have to take it to a copy/printers shop.
I would make the spikes separately (maybe all in a row), leaving loose wool on the bottoms to reconnect to the body. Then when you have your resist ready and partially covered with wool, add the spikes in the second layer of wool and then cover with the outer layers of wool. I agree with Ann that you just need to add some size to the belly for the gusset. That will be taken care of with shaping. Or I would do a book resist with two sets of legs and space in the middle for the gusset. Complex resists are always fun!
The blacksmithing looks interesting but after reading Leonor’s story, everyone should be wearing eye protection at all times!
A great read. I do like your design, and I am looking forward to seeing the result!
I love watching a blacksmith at work, I think they are amazing, and produce wonderful work.
Oh please do post when you get the dino bag made. I’m very curious to see how it looks!
Your dino bag is going to be interesting, whatever size it ends up being. I look forward to seeing more.
Jan, when you mentioned that blacksmiths are photogenic, I immediately envisioned a Blacksmithing calendar for 2024! (A bit like the Australian firefighters one!) https://www.australianfirefighterscalendar.com/ purely for reference of course.
Speaking of handsome, well we weren’t but let’s go there with the photogenic blacksmiths, your plan for your dino purse is gorgeous. I would have done exactly as you did on sizing up but Antje’s right there could be a dino family in the making.
Thanks for the great post Jan. It cheered me up no end.
Helene x