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Finally Mer-Felting! in Toronto Ontario Canada part 1

Finally Mer-Felting! in Toronto Ontario Canada part 1

Finally Mer-Felting! 

Monday, Oct 20th 2025.

Monday Morning arrived much too early. Instead of my original plan of donning my apron, a cherished reminder of my wonderful mother in law, and heading to the guild to work on the library, Glenn was loading a couple of suitcases and a project box into the car.  It’s going to be over the usual 5.5 hour drive, with a brief stop to feed the car and ourselves. We are adding a couple quick shopping detours once we get into the Toronto area (primarily, Board Game Bliss). So maybe it will be quicker if you meet me in Oakville? The hotel has a pool you could wait in, but its hours are limited, and it was really chilly the last time I was in it. (No wet felting in the pool while you wait!!!)

map showing root from Ottawa to Toronto ont. canada1.11) A map of  the edge of Ontario, between Ottawa and Oakville, to give you perspective of where we are going today

It was a long drive down, is it possible that either Ottawa or Toronto have moved farther apart?  By the time we got into Oakville, and found a spot to eat dinner, the Pool was closed. So, how about we meet on the Go Train platform just down the street from the hotel, and you can come into Toronto with me, it’s the 8:30 express train. Don’t forget your umbrella, the forecast is rain all day.

 

Tuesday, October 21st 2025

One of Glenn’s Brothers ( brother #4 of 5 brothers) is joining us today, having flown in from the States. I am sure you will like him, he is a math teacher and thespian.  We hiked down from the hotel to the Go station. Oh my! The Go train has a raised platform for wheelchairs and walkers to more easily get on and off the train. The Train worked beautifully and was very comfortable.  Unfortunately, when we got to the subway station, the lifts for the subway were not all working, so it took a bit of extra time to find the lifts that were and get back from the detour the helpful transit people had sent us on. Good thing the building we are looking for is not too far from a subway stop. We arrived just in time, instead of early, as Glenn’s brother thought we would be. (Avoiding stairs always takes much longer when using public transit.)

We were going to a posh law office in a very high tower, in a canyon of high towers, reflective glass and old stone buildings.

some of the landmarks i could see looking out the window i was sitting by 1.12) Some of the landmarks I could see

There were comfortable couches and snacks by the reception desk, and an open stairway in front of a tall window. This window alcove had 2 chairs and a few plants, and a fantastic view looking, I think, sort of south or southeast. (It was hard to tell on the 16th floor, all my normal landmarks are at ground level, and I never had a direct view of the sun. Later consultation with the map suggests I was looking west-ish.)  The Brothers wandered off to a room on another floor to do legal stuff. (I am not a beneficiary, I am not one of the 5 brothers, so I didn’t go with them. I am just here as Glenn’s Driver, moral support, and to do some felting.)  I gave up the too-low comfortable couch for the area under the stairs in front of the window with my box of felting supplies. I checked with the office manager that I would be out of the way there, and the huge window could prove interesting if the rain holds off longer.

interior desk, wating area and behind a hint of the open stairs.1.2) This is a nice office, I don’t want to be underfoot, and the lighting is better over by the window.

window in back ground with glass towers in for ground 2 plants and a chair with my project box of Mer-Felting stuff1.3) Settling into a corner under the stairs.

vew out window with buildings, Hudson bay, Old city Hall New city hall1.4) There were some iconic buildings in my view. The Hudsons Bay building, a church(out of shot to the left) and what I finally figured out was old Toronto city hall and New City Hall.

I spotted an odd building that may not have been a building. I have seen a program on a subway system, I think it was Boston, but it could have been New York (both were discussed in the program), they had buildings that kept their facades, but had been gutted to add ventilation systems for the subway tunnels beneath them. I think this may be one of those fake buildings. It looked very interesting. I would love to have had a tour of it!

old brick building with turbines in center of it.1.5) a shell of a building? 4 massive turbines stick out of the middle of what remains of the stone building.

As I was getting organised to start felting, I noticed I had more than just architecture to watch this morning. I have seen roofers working before, but it’s always from below (not a very enlightening perspective). This was a flat roof, too, so not something I have seen done in person before.  This will also give you an idea of the actual zoom on my camera, as I got curious about that, too.

1.6-1.8) Oh no, now I have made all the guild members very nervous!!!

While they are getting to work, adding plastic sheeting and rubber membranes to the sides, I should get to work too. As much as the Mer-boyfriend wants to do his own abs, I should really give him a hand (ok, literally). I am going to focus on hand and arm musculature today.

I started with forearms and strengthening the wrists. The density of the felt was too soft, and the wire strength was overpowering the wool felt through the full forearm. I want the arias just above and below the wrist to be much firmer so the wire will be persuaded that bending at the wrist is correct, while bending in the forearm is not. If you are making a figure that will only be in one position, this is not as big a consideration. Since I don’t know how they will eventually decide to pose,  I want them to have options.

Diagarm trying to show one way of trying to help the wire bend where you want it to is firming ether side of the joint and less firm interior felting at the joint.2.1) Diagram of wool density around a joint

Note: if you would like the surface over the joint to have the same superficial density as the surrounding felt, you can use a crown needle or use shallow felting to firm the surface, but leave the under layers less densely felted.

needle stuck in forarm extensor muscles2.2) working on the muscles of the forearms (the extensor group)

working on superior aspect of arm just above the elbow 2.3) working on the posterior aspect of the upper arm just above the elbow joint

 

It’s handy to have good myology (Muscles) and osteology (Bones) diagrams for this. If you don’t have an extensive selection of anatomy and myology books, Google can be very helpful with its search “Images” tab. Good research is part of the fun of felting!

Once I had firmed up the arms, I focused on his hands. I have the fingers wrapped and have added the beginnings of the thenar and hypothenar eminence at the base of the palm. The fingers can be tricky or fussy to work on. If you only work from one angle, it will flatten the look of the fingers, so working all the way around the fingers works best. Make sure that your needle has the first barb close to the tip so you don’t have to stab deeply to move the fibre. This is again a good spot to switch to a crown needle; it’s not as fast with only a total of 3 barbs, but it doesn’t need to go as deep to engage the fibres.

working the needle around the thumb reduces the tendency to flatten the digit by only working in one areabuiding up the mucsles at the base of the palm (thenar and Hypothenar emences) there is no exam at the end.2.4-2.5) working around the thumb

the Young Mer takes a brake on top of his project box2.6) Mer resting and having a break in his project box (needle in lat border of the palm).

I checked in on how the roof repair was going. I was trying to figure out if the gravel part was done or if it was yet to be done.

watching roofers lay out plastic on top of black layer, and wondering if the area with rock is finished or yet to be worked on.zooming in i can see the gravel is the top finished layer and it is yet to be added to the secion being worked on.3.1-3.2) watching roofers lay out plastic on top of the black layer, and wondering if the area with rock is finished or yet to be worked on. Using the zoom, I figured out that the gravel is the top layer.

The reflections are interesting with the stormy sky and landscape reflecting in the glass tower in front of me. The clouds have varying looks of impending downpour pour but so far, no rain has fallen. In the glass tower in front of me, I can see a landscape reflecting what is past the building I am in. As the light shifts and changes, the reflections shift too. It is distracting from my felting, and now I wish I were working on a landscape (don’t tell the young Mer, I will get back to working on him again!)

gray sky and building reflecting in glass tower in front of me3.3) Storm clouds and reflections in the glass tower before me.

If you look to the lower right side of the reflected building, you will see the landscape that captivated my attention. I am not sure if it was just the shifting lighting or if it was the segmentation of the image by the window frames. I spotted a brief sliver of light on the fall trees as it passed and disappeared.

close up of landscape reflected in glass with a patch of sunlight brakeing through the clowds3.4) The landscape reflected in the glass with a sunbeam piercing the clouds, highlighting a stretch of trees and houses.

The clouds cleared for a moment, a bit later, but were quickly followed by a thick grey miasma of impending wetness….

storm clouwds behind building but blue sky reflecting in glass clowds streach over the city and only a hint of blue sky left in the glass reflection3.5-3.6) It was particularly striking with the blue sky reflecting in the glass and the storm rushing in behind the building.

blue sky and white clowds reflecting in glass of tower3.7) The storm rushed past, determined to dump water somewhere else since the sky cleared and the reflections of clouds were fabulous

I next turned my attention to the old City hall (the new one is a half-circle tower, not nearly as interesting a building). The old tower and main building are dwarfed by the much taller buildings around it. Unlike the many new reflective towers, this building has ornamentation and detail to look at. I hope you are fascinated by architecture as I am and will be inspired. If not by the architecture, then maybe it will give you thoughts of who would live in a building with such interesting windows and what they should wear?  What would the gargoyles look like if they got up and flew off? Or, maybe the patterning around the clock face tower will inspire a vessel or scarf?

old city hall with new city hall in the back ground 4.1- old city hall disappearing into the new building surrounding it

copper roof and some of the window patterns in toronto old city hall4.2- just peeking over the building, the fabulous fenestration and detailing are just visible,

Gargoils jsut under clock face on tower one on each of the 4 corners 2 are visible in this shot4.3- Gargoyles!! Oh, the dentils in the roof and repeated under the gargoyle’s ledge! What is that pattern just under the clock? If only I could get closer…

detail of clock face and what i thot was a pillaster untill i zoomed in.4.5- Oh yes, I can get closer!

more decritive moteafs on a gable end of part of the roof4.6)- more patterning on this gable end, the sun with swords, circles with a bar and plain weave?

the light is deepinging the shadows showing more of the deail embelishment of the stone work and gargoil4.7-In the late afternoon, the sun came out, giving this raking light, creating depth and accentuating the details

light reflecting of nabouring glass town is cast on building and roof making intersting distorted patterns 4.81-  As the sun swung further around and pierced between buildings, it finally struck the glass neighbour of old city hall. Bathing the old building in reflected light and shadow patterns from its towering neighbour.

the shadows are darkening between the towers but the sky is blue with flufy white clowds. the relections on old city hall are continuing.4.82) Sunset is approaching, and the reflections off the glass tower onto the stone and copper roof are intriguing but almost lost amongst the urban landscape. 

young Mer showing progress on his hand. he is smileing and looks pleased.5.1)The young Mer showing the progress on his hands

close up of hands5.2) Hands can be a suggestion, or you can spend a long time adding knuckles and surface detail (ask Google to show you surface anatomy, and you should find diagrams of the superficial features)

By late afternoon, I had been switching back and forth, from felting to photography, as the light shifted and played off the reflective surfaces. That landscape I had been watching in the reflection of the building across from me occasionally had highlights of sunshine between clouds, causing parts of the landscape to be illuminated while other parts were darkened. It was very dramatic.

another late afternoon patch of sunlight hits the landscape behind the reflected building 6.1) Another sunbeam strikes the landscape reflection in the building across from me

The sun was getting lower, and I was hoping for a fabulous sunset.

the cast light is getting weaker but still creating intersting relections on nabouring buildings6.2) The reflections and cast light were getting interesting!

 Glenn was sent down by their lawyer (for brothers #2 through 5), to say I could go upstairs and join brothers 4 & 5, since a possible agreement had been found… but when I got there, ah, not quite yet. Glenn had carried my Camera, which accidentally stayed in the room with him, and I went to the hall by the elevators. There was a small table beside the door labelled mail-room and a perfectly placed pot light. So I unloaded my project box and got back to work. Unfortunately, I missed the sunset, since there were no windows in the hall. I did have a lovely chat with a lawyer (not involved with mediation) who was working late as well. I give her a quick demo-brake, explaining needle felting and the Missing Mer-teen dilemma and making a Mer-boyfriend to tempt her out of hiding.

The process ran into the evening, but I had an audiobook and was happily felting. Eventually, they were done. No one ever saw brother #1, but he must have been there somewhere. Brothers #4 & 5 and I all headed back towards the subway, the Go-train, and eventually back to Oakville. (Drat, it’s too late and the pool is closed again). (The floating would have been nice, but I am really not fond of the wetness of the water. Water would be much better if it was warmer and drier.)

Wednesday, October 22nd 2025

Very early in the morning, we said goodbye to Brother#4, as he headed off to the airport to fly back to the States. It was very good to see him. Hopefully, we will be able to visit the 3 brothers living in the States in the future, but not until the law applies equally, women regain their rights, and sanity returns.

 

We also packed up and contacted Monika, of the Olive Sparrow, to check if it would be ok to drop in on the way home. She is not too far off the Don Valley Parkway, south of the 401 highway. She would meet us in about 2.5 hours, lots of time to get to the other side of Toronto!!! ………..

We loaded the car with suitcases, the project box, and the Mer-Boyfriend looking out the back seat window and waving at passing cars (I did take the needle out of his fingers so it was easier for him to wave, if he wants to)  (to be continued shortly)

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Two Coats Colder

Two Coats Colder

Back in April 2002, before I became infected by felt and  was still interested in woven tapestry, I plucked up courage and attended a Tapestry Weaving Course run by professional tapestry weaver Bobbie Cox.  If you live in or near Rochester in Kent you may have seen some of her work as there are four of her tapestries adorning the Lady Chapel in Rochester Cathedral.  My report of the workshop was published in the March 2003 edition of The Journal for Weavers Spinners & Dyers.  I have reproduced it here.  I’m afraid that there weren’t any photographs for me to show you as I didn’t own a camera at that time.  I have tried to produce the sketches that I made and you will see why I say that I can’t draw, except with a felting needle!

inside a cathedral showing stained glass windows with tapestries below and a tapestry on the front of an alter with 2 candles on it
Lady Chapel, Rochester Cathedral – Bobbie Cox Tapestries

“Peter Tavy, Two Coats Colder than Tavistock”

“And I wish I had known before I went!  Still this only related to the weather and was in contrast to the warmth of the welcome from the inhabitants of Peter Tavy when I joined 16 others on an ‘overflow’ course on Design & Tapestry Weaving given by Bobbie Cox at Peter Tavy Village Hall (formerly the school) in the second week in April 2002 (the original course had had such a long waiting list that Bobbie had arranged an additional one).

“Our first task was to explore the village taking in textures, colours and atmosphere, making notes, taking wax rubbings and collecting samples.

“On returning to the hall we discussed what we had found and then Bobbie told us that our theme for the course would be ‘windows’.  She showed us slides of photographs she had taken from the inside looking out, outside looking in, of misted window glass, and raindrops, of reflections and shadows.  She reminded us that windows are the eyes of a building and can be looking at us whilst we are looking at them.  (I’ll never regard a window in the same way again!)  Then she sent us out around the village again to ‘collect’ windows.  The villagers were (with one unpleasant exception) very tolerant of the students gazing at their properties in a very odd way, even the overwintering inhabitants of the sole remaining farm’s cowshed.

“The students were of mixed ability, from complete beginners (three of us – one of whom was our ‘token man’ Peter) to the quite advanced.  Bobbie showed us three ways of warping our frames, how to decide on the set of the warp and how to spread the warps appropriately.  She gave us advice and encouragement and showed us some of her many sample pieces to illustrate her points and her tips.

“After a picnic lunch beside the River Tavy, it was back to work – perfecting our designs with paint and pencil.  (I stayed up till 11.30 getting mine done.)

“Next day Bobbie set up an Indigo vat – in the back of her car!  (Well it was very cold out and much warmer inside the car which was standing in the sun, indigo vats need to be kept warm.)

“We all took turns to dip various yarns and fibres, re-dipping and over dyeing some coloured yarns for various periods during that day and also leaving some in the vat over-night.  In between times we started the actual weaving of our tapestries, all the time receiving tips and advice from Bobbie.

“She advised us to watch out for shrinkage or ‘waisting’ – the tapestry pulling in at the sides as the weaving progresses.  It is unlikely that this will be the result of poor selvedges, but more likely to be because the use of several different yarns in one pic, or ending one or more kelim slits in a single pic.  Bobbie’s suggestion was that we should insert a number of ‘guy ropes’ by sewing one end of a spare piece of warp thread near the edge of the tapestry (but not too close to it) and tying the ends to the sides of the frame.  If this is done on both sides of the tapestry, the tension will help to prevent the waisting. (I wondered what the purists would think of this, but if it’s good enough for Bobbie Cox it’s good enough for me.)

“Day 3; and after removing the yarns which had rested in the dye vat over-night, some of us tried some more in what was thought just to be the exhaust of the indigo.  In fact there was still quite a bit of life there and we dipped several skeins each.

“As the sun was still shining, we decided that we would lay out on the playground the yarns which had been dried over-night so that Bobbie and those students with cameras could photograph them.  It was then that we received some exuberant visitors.  They were some of the inhabitants of the cowshed on their way through the village to alternative accommodation.  They were moving at high speed in all directions, frantically followed by the farmer.  Bobbie saw off the ones which had decided to see what the activity was at the Village Hall.  I understand that they were eventually rounded up and led of to their new abode, having left liberal donations for the rose garden in the streets.

“Before lunch, delivered to the Village Hall by Jill, the Peter Tavy Sandwich Lady, some of the students accompanied Bobbie on a walk up to Dartmoor.  Some of us, not having sufficient warm clothing, decided to stay and work on.

“During the day Bobbie showed us some more slides of windows and also some of her own work.  However the highlight of the day was a visit to Bobbie’s own studio.  She was not working on anything at the moment, being very much involved in the administration of her touring exhibition ‘Woven Water’.  She did have two of the larger pieces from this Exhibition, ‘Spring’ and ‘Autumn’, which she  hung along with some other pieces for us to see, including a recently completed commission – a large tapestry inspired by the beach at Blakeney Point in Norfolk entitled ‘Tidelines, a Woven Memory of Blakeney’.  Also on display were picture boards showing the inspiration and development of that design and some of the Woven Water tapestries as well as some smaller samples and bundles of wefts tied and dyed.  Bobbie explained the mechanics of her large high warp loom and how she works on it.

“The next day – our last – was Sunday.  Now we were all working hard trying to get as much weaving done as possible before our visitors arrived.  At Bobbie’s suggestion we had all asked our bed and breakfast hosts to morning coffee and to see what we had been doing during our stay.  This is apparently a feature of Bobbie’s courses and many villagers visit regularly.  The noise level rose dramatically as the visitors wandered around and chatted.

“Bobbie did manage to fit in a few more tips for us though:

“1        Don’t be in too much of a hurry to cut the work off the loom, live with it for a while in case you subsequently decide that you want to add to it or make some changes.  It won’t be possible after it’s off the loom.

“2        Ends of yarns are usually left hanging at the back of the work, unless it is to be viewed from both sides.  Don’t cut them too close to the weaving or they will start to work through to the right side.

“3        Darn in yarn ends which are near the selvedge or kelim slits.

“4        When you darn in, slide the needle up or down the warp thread, not across the warps – it might show.

“5        Consider the mechanics you will use to hang the finished tapestry (although this should have been thought out at the design stage).  You may need to weave further pics in the heading, for instance if you will be incorporating a metal (preferably stainless) rod or a wooden slat.

“6        Weighting the bottom of the weaving will help it to hang better.

“7        Steam press the work on the reverse side – using a cloth and pressing lightly.

“At three o’clock we started to pack up and then display our work and our design drawings so that they could all be looked at and photographed.  It was amazing what diverse designs had been achieved.  We had all learned something, particularly we three beginners.  Bobbie  had encouraged us to try our own ideas and allowed us to make our own mistakes, lessons being better learned by trial and error than by example.

“By the time that we finished at about four, we were all very tired by very happy.  One usually finds on a course like this that there is one person who spoils things for the others, but it had been noted that our group was particularly lucky in that we were not “blessed” with the student who wanted to grab all the tutor’s time, or the one who wanted to be the centre of everyone’s attention (boring or noisy or both), or the hypochondriac.  We all had a great time – thank you Bobbie.

“PS If you attend another of Bobbie’s courses in Peter Tavy, better diet before you go – the food in the local pubs is marvellous – so’s the beer!”

partly completed tapestry of the four paned window on a wooden frame loom
Window Tapestry – still on the loom I’m afraid and I don’t think it ever progressed any further.

A couple of weeks later I attended another tapestry workshop run by another professional but I’ll save my report of that one for another day.

 

WHY DO FELTING NEEDLES BREAK? DO YOU BLAME YOUR TOOLS OR IS IT OPERATOR ERROR? IN 3 PARTS

WHY DO FELTING NEEDLES BREAK? DO YOU BLAME YOUR TOOLS OR IS IT OPERATOR ERROR? IN 3 PARTS

Part 3 How we use the needles:

Let’s think a little more about bending and braking.

We have looked at some of the properties of needles and their parts of most concern to us.  (https://feltingandfiberstudio.com/2025/03/27/why-do-felting-needles-break-do-you-blame-your-tools-or-is-it-operator-error/)  we looked at how the needles are used in industry, in felting machines, to take fiber and create non-woven fabrics. The felting machine used many needles together in a needle board, moving quickly, to a set depth. The needle’s actual time working is much longer in industry than it is for a needle working for most hand felter’s. (https://feltingandfiberstudio.com/2025/04/06/why-do-felting-needles-break-do-you-blame-your-tools-or-is-it-operator-error-in-3-parts/).

let’s consider how we, as hand felters, interact with our needles.

Acquisition:

Where we get our needles matters -are we selecting needle Re-sellers who are purchasing from manufacturers that have high standers of quality control and sell good to excellent quality needles?      Within the various manufacturers of felting needles, there is some variation in the flexibility (quality) of the needles. Some are a bit stiffer, some are a bit more flexible, but if a company makes truly crappy needles industry will avoid buying them and they go out of business. If you are buying directly from a company you trust (you have quality control within the manufacturing process) or from a reputable reseller of those companies (we have a few very good ones available online), you can be pretty sure that the needle quality will be good to excellent.

There is usually more than one needle manufacturer per manufacturing country. The main 3 seem to be Germany, China and India. So saying all needles from country X are horrible probably isn’t true (though I did see rumors from India about China and from China about India). I have tried only three types of branded needles from China; the first was only available in small batches through re-sellers online. They labeled their needles by colour, but I found them a bit stiffer than, the second company that I regularly deal with. They sell in boxes of 500 as well as sell directly to the industry. The third, again sold in small batches of 100 needles, only the triangle shape and in limited number of gauges. They also were a bit stiffer but did work. All work reasonably well, but they are not exactly the same. Remember what i like may not be exactly the same as what you like. If resellers offer a verity pack of a brand, try that, and see what you like best in both the various shapes and different manufacturers. Some resellers may be reluctant to tell you their suppler (it’s sort of like asking a lady her age…), but asking if they know the original Manufacturer may be better received.  If they are unsure, they could get back to you with the information. I have a suspicion we may have a few sellers adding different colour codes to the same manufacturer’s needles.  As long as the needles are working well, I am not too concerned about what colour they are.

4 resellers of felting needles, 13.1) 4 resellers who offer multi packs of needles. we know Heidi feathers has stated she has GB needles. i found the Miusie needles good but a bit stiff, but they are the only ones i have noticed carry the cone needles so far. i have liked both Fiber Craft and Olive Sparrow needles but don’t know their manufactures (it sort of like asking a lady her age….)

Part of selecting felting needles will be what is available to you, thus what you will tend to use. If you can’t find a reseller selling GB needles from Germany, you can’t see for yourself if you like their needles. The same with companies from China or India (sorry, I haven’t knowingly tried needles from a company from India yet). If you don’t know what company a reseller is selling, it’s very hard to compare quality and buy what you like best. That said, none of the main manufacturers should be total duds, although you may prefer one over the other.

So, Needles from different companies can be different (using different formulas of metal for the needles). There is also variation in flexibility within a company’s line of needles. The needle shapes used in pre-needleing machines are stated to have greater flexibility in the web. (Two of the per-needleing options, Vario, and Conical both have a tapered shaft with varying sizes of barbs up the working part of the needles. We are now occasionally seeing them for sale). Some years ago, GB said it was researching a needle with even greater flexibility but came out with barbs that had extended run times. If greater flexibility is achieved in the industry, (so they can run their machines faster), this should also help hand felters. We will not have to be as careful with how we poke our fiber, while remembering rule#2 (the direction the needle goes in is the direction the needle goes out).

13.2-13.3) comparison of Dur and Regular needle barbs, and showing fiber in the barbs

We should also consider a recent complain about needle quality.  At the moment, there have been very few complaints of purchasing already worn needles. Worn needles can suggest that the needles have been used in needle boards, than are sold to us. We do not want used needles (ok that sounds bad in a number of ways!)  This does not seem to be a common problem at the moment, but it’s good to know if you get oddly dull needles.  Needles, that are already worn, will be more fragile and will break more easily than needles that are just starting their working life. Worn needles will not move fiber efficiently compared to a needle of the same gauge and shape that is not worn, and with the least distraction from rule #2, a worn needle will break. This is not operator error; it is a faulty tool.

Care of needles:

Where and how you store your needles may increase or decrease the chance of breakage.

I am sure you have seen me store my needles in my working surface. This has both pros and cons.

Pros:

  • Needles are close to hand when working and have a predictable storage spot so less likely to get lost (as long as you remember where you put your mat)
  • You can organize your needles from course to fine from one side to the other of your mat. This also helps reduce trial and error finding the needle you want, if you have unlabeled needles
  • This works well on mats that are larger than your project

Cons

  • If your project is larger than your mat, you lack storage spots (then a half pool noodle piece separate from the mat works well)
  • If you forget to take all the needles out of the end of the mat before you start working, you may hit one as you are working.
  • I have seen someone reach for a needle, forgetting they left another one in the way, bang it with their hand, and break it.

half a pool noodle divided into sections by gauge size14.1) half a pool noodle divided into sections by gauge size

I have seen loose in a pill bottle, loose in a small mettle tin, loose in a glass jar or loose in a pencil case.  Other than the pencil case where depending what else is thrown in with the needles they may get damaged by other objects or poke through the fabric and stab the felter, the bottles, tins  and other hard surface storage places can dull the needle point, if the needles are left to rattle around inside. If you add a bit of wool or foam to the bottom for the tips to go in, it helps to keep the needles from rattling and protects the tips. I found some lovely screw top test tube shapes at the dollar store (silly people were selling them full of sports erasers, when clearly they were meant to hold needles!) I added a bit of wool and a piece of cardstock saying what type of needle and where I got them from in each container.  I keep the majority of my needles in the boxes they came in (wrapped in wax paper as they were shipped). but most people don’t buy in batches of 500 to get the cool storage box!  Try to find something that suites you. If you felt only in one place, then half a piece of pool noodle  on your desk or keeping needles in the end of your felting surface may work. For stay at home felters, I have seen some interesting needle “pin cushions” made from old tea cups or fine silver. If you are more mobile with your felting, then a few tight sealing containers with something to protect the needle tips and labels may soot you best.

A few of my needles and a couple of the needle holders. (the wooden handled one usually has a piece of pool noodle on the needles or I have stored in a tall pill bottle with the needles in beside it.14.2) A few of my needles and a couple of the needle holders. (the wooden handled one usually has a piece of pool noodle on the needles or I have stored in a tall pill bottle with the needles in beside it.

Humidity:

Unless you are living in an area of high humidity or using your needles on wet felting, while it’s still wet, rust should not be too much of a concern for most needle felters. If you are living in a damp or humid area, then take precautions to protect your tools. Storing them in sealed containers, using a light oil to protect them when not in use or trying silica packages to reduce the likelihood of rust may all be options.  (Stay away from cellulose sponges as working surfaces since they attract dampness, which is great when cleaning a kitchen but not for storing needles or using as a felting surface.)

Selecting the correct needle for the job.

As I mentioned previously, in industry this is very hush hush information and is the driving motivator in removing the full needle specification from the needle boxes we buy (ok some of us buy).

A few (seven of nine) of the needle boxes on my desk15.1)A few (seven of nine) of the needle boxes on my desk

-Are we choosing the most optimal needle for the job?     Another easy way to break a needle is either choosing the wrong needle for the job, or, not feeling when to change gauges as you are working.  Paying attention to how the needle feels (palpating) as you insert it into the fiber (End Feel), lets you know when to change from one gauge to another. For most projects, we usually work from courser needles to finer needles. As you start felting a sculpture, the fiber is not as dense or firm; as you continue to stab, poke and impale your project, the firmer the felt becomes. At some point, the feeling will change (this is that “end Feel” I have talked about previously). There will be an increase in resistance. Instead of adding more force (which can cause a needle to break), shift to a finer gauge needle. This should feel easier to insert than the courser needle you were just using. But remember, finer needles require stricter adherence to rule #2; the fine gauges are thinner and are more likely to break if used aggressively (“Kill It!!!!” type stabbing). Slow down, think, and then stab. In addition, dragging fibers with the tip of a fine or extra fine needle can be enough to catch and break or bend a needle. Just be careful if you like to adjust your fibers with your needle. (There are other pointy things that you can use to adjust fibers, such as a flower (boutonniere flower pin or stylus, that will save needles if you tend to break them this way.)

I tend to think of needles comparing them by how much fiber each will move.

  • Increase fiber movement-
    • Gauge – a “Course”32g needle moves more than a “medim”36g & 38g moves more fiber than a “fine”40g & 42g which will move more that an “ultra-fine” 46g needle.
    • Number of barbs – the more barbs per side, the more fiber the needle can move. So a 333 moves more than a 222 which moves more than a crown needle (111)
    • Shape –the number of sides works with the number of barbs if you add one more side (a quod star needle) it will be more aggressive then a 3 sided needle of the same gauge and number of barbs per side.

Sometimes we want to be move less fiber and have greater control of smaller amounts of fiber, so you would look at the above list in reverse, ie. Use finer needles, fewer bards, and less sides to control smaller amounts of fiber per insertion of the needle.

When picture felting and using a multi-tool,

As I said before, you can also have problems when you are using a multi-needle tool as you work, the density of the felt increases. The spacing of the needles in the tool tries to grab the same fiber in multiple places (this can be more noticeable when working with longer fibers or combed top). This will feel like a strong resistance to entering the felt. If you increase pressure and force the needles in, they have a high chance of one or more breaking. Instead, stop and either shift to finer needles or take some of the needles out so you have them spaced farther apart in your holder.  Just because a needle holder can hold X number of needles does not mean you need to have all of them installed.

the Blue Fake Clover tool showing all needles inside the holder part of the Blue Fake Clover tool with the needle holder pulled out and only 3 needles in to create more space between needles 15.2-15.3) the Blue Fake Clover tool; it’s a bit noisier and not as smooth as the real clover tool but it’s also a lot cheaper. If you really like this tool try to save up for the real green version. Or try it, if a felter-friend has one.

It’s actually quite nice to have a few of the same style of holder (labeled) with different gauges in them, so you don’t have to interrupt your creative flow and stabbing.  You may want to indicate which holder has which needle by labeling or colour coding them. As you finish the outer layer of a picture, you may move to an even finer needle, which will give you increased fine control and, if you work at an angle to your work, a smoother finished surface.  For sculpture, if you are attaching limbs into a body, and if your attachment site is not too compacted, you may find a T32 moves vigorous amounts of wool to embed fibers from the limb into the core of the body.

I have had needles brake while using a needle holder. This is the most common problem I have with needles. While I do love a good needle holder, for its increased speed of felting (drat, just when I said not to rush) and its ergonomics, it is just more comfortable to hold.  For picture-felting, I often use the Clover or fake clover tool with the moving guard, but I also use it on 3-D sculptures occasionally, too. When I was working on Mrs. Mer’s lower fish body into her butterfly koi tail, I was using the fake clover tool with T40s or T42s. I caught the armature (she is very thin there, so the armature is close to the surface), and I broke most of the needles in the holder (DRAT!) and switched back to a single needle.

moveing the gaurd back showing the boken needles in the fake clover tool15.4) Oh the Embarrassment! Multiple broken needles in my fake clover tool (I hit twisted armature wire close to the surface of the sculpture I was working on

Needles also break if you catch them in the twists of a wire armature.  Again, slow down and feel as you carefully insert the needle. Designing your armature so it is buried as deeply in your sculpture as possible will make the outer layers less needle-eating. I have not lost many needles to wires but occasionally if I grab a finer needle than I thought I was grabbing, (who put it back in the medium part of my working surface and not the fine section over at the edge? I need to have a chat with that person….oh drat.) I did lose a couple of needles working on those little chickadees, but I did do a lot of chickadees, so the bird-to-dead-needle ratio was still low.

I have a couple of needles that have bent but not broken. I have kept them; they are often just perfect for getting into a spot, especially when I know there is an armature wire close by.

Note on wire: There are lots of options, and it’s a huge topic, so I won’t get too distracted here, but some types tend to be greater needle eaters than others. Some of this is what you have regionally and get used to using. I would like to investigate this further, but not today. Just slow down and be careful if you are working with sculptures with an armature of whatever wire you have chosen.

Are we using a work surface that you feel comfortable with and that works with your project?  

There are many different surfaces and felting supports. Each of these options has a different feel as the needle hits the surface of it.  Chose the one that feels comfortable and work for you, as well as what seem most appropriate for the type of needle felting you are doing. If you have the opportunity, try out as many as you can before buying the ones you like.

  • Foam –packing, upholstery(avoid those with fire retardant), eco-friendly foam, pool noodle, high density, sponge, vary in price from free to expensive
  • Hybrid – felt covered sponge, cheaper than the wool mat
  • Burlap rice bag- (goes on sale for Chinese new year!) quite heavy but nice to sculpt on. Not lightest choice for mobile felting. remember to Lift work frequently.
  • Wool mats – thinner .5” ironing mats, 1-1.5” wool felting mats, make your own wool mats, are more expensive but last longer then the foam mats.
  • Clover brush tool, to bristle broom used as a work surface; Smaller in size, than other options. Cover brush tool is quite expensive but dose last well.

Support surfaces for working on 3D sculptures:

  • Small rice bags, pieces of foam or pool noodle can support a limb or part of a sculpture, so you are not air stabbing and have a greater chance of ether braking the needle or stabbing yourself.

 

Various foam serfaces with wooden 3 needle tools and felted mouse Felted mouse on burlap rice bag with blue fake clover tool in backgroundwool felt mat with small picture felt on it 16.1-16.3) a few of my work surfaces. Note the heavy zip-lock freezer bag covering my wool pad I have fund it reduces wool transfer to the wool mat. (There is green wool imbedded in the mat which is why I now am protecting it).

Another way to break needles is a shift between your working surface, and what you are working on. It is not too common since most picture felters are often working on surfaces larger than there image, but I have had this happen. While I was working on the landscape moose bag (mid weight canvas ground fabric), on the far edge of the image and the foam kneeling pad shifted inside the bag, taking out my single T38-333 needle! (Snap!!) I could fix that by having the working surface the same size as the interior of the bag so it would not shift or move. (ok, working on the handle of my walker as I was sitting on the walker was also not the best choice of working location). Now you know my shame. I, too, have broken needles!! But not too many, and usually there are long stretches where I don’t break any.

While thinking about working surfaces, we should also consider working depth. This means that the depth the needle is inserted into the work and work surface, the deeper into the work surface the needle goes increase the likelihood of breaking a needle due to accidentally shifting your vector as you remove the needle. It also uses more strength, which can fatigue the felter faster than working only as deeply as needed to embed the fiber into the picture or sculpture.  You only need to move the fiber to imbed it in what you are working on, you don’t need to deeply impale the mat. Do you remember the industry report that suggested the first barb was doing the majority of the work? If we inspect the needle we are about to use and notice the position of the barbs on the working part, we can then insert the needle to the depth that will engage the barbs, thus moving the fiber where we want it to go. If you are trying to stab in a more shallow manner, you could switch to a crown needle whose barbs are located very close to the tip. I have used this type of needle effectively to add colour to one side of a thin petal without adding it to the other side. (I was also, work at a very shallow needle angle to achieve this!)

Angle of inserting must be the same as angle of extraction (another way to say rule #2)

needle direction instructions from china17.1)  simplified instructions that came with one of my random needle purchases.

The angle you impale your work will change the effect you see at the surface. Remembering always, that the direction you move the needle is the direction the fiber will move. Working at a lower angle and with finer needles will reduce the look of indentations in the surface. This helps give a smoother surface finish but the lower angle seems to increase the braking of rule #2 and then the breaking of the needle. So, stay focused and pay attention.

Note: if you have obvious needle dents, the surface of your work looks a bit like the skin of an orange, it is just that you need to felt a bit longer. The surface above the dent is not felted as much as the dented area, keep going.

Moving fiber to firm an area

Although your needle should always insert and exit in one direction or vector, You don’t have to only work from the outside to the inside.  you can push fiber through your sculpture towards the surface on the other side. You may want to do this to firm up the under structure in that area. An example would be when I was making sheep heads (they were for sheep pins), I know they still are not quite totally sheep-ly yet, but I am working on it, (I think it’s the bridge of the nose and lower mandible angle that’s messing me up. I should go visit Ann and have a chat with some of her sheep).  I noticed a couple of times, I would get the nose exactly as I wanted it, but it was not as firm in the understructure as I would like. who wants a floppy nosed sheep?. I didn’t want to have to add more wool from the outside and change what I had just sculpted.  so I worked from the not yet finished back of the head, to move fiber by stabbing through the sheep head towards the nose. If you are aware where the barb placement is on your needle you can push fiber to the depth that you want to firm up.  I know I should have made the understructure firmer before going on to sculpting the final nose shape but sometimes I get over excited and work in a less than optimal order.

When I want to enthusiastically move fiber but still have reasonable control, I gravitate to one of my 36g needles I am often using coriedale which is a bit bigger fiber than merino. If you were sculpting with Merino wool, you would find the needle a bit more enthusiastic since more fibers would be cot in the barbs.

Another way to think about moving fiber from the other side, is if you have watched or used a drill and you want the bit to go into the wood but not through it. you can measure the depth you want with the bit and then add tape so you will stop when you get to the tape and before you go through the wood.  If you need to work from the back of a sculpture, and have trouble guess-timating, you could try a bit of painters tape on a single needle to get the depth you want?

Holding a single needle

  • Consistency in how you hold the needle
  • Comfort in holding the needle (no death grip and hand cramping!)
    • Different shaped holders require different hand positions, the main shapes being a pen like grip or a nob like grip. I have seen only one that is held as you would a hammer.
    • Add something to the needle shaft to make it larger, tool dip, tape, elastics
  • Practice, if you are comfortable with using your tools you will have better control and brake fewer needles.

There are various ways to hold a single loose needle. A couple of my Japanese authored  books were very specific about having the crank in the crock under a knuckle and stabilizing with your thumb and second finger. This is not comfortable for everyone; a modified version may work better for you. You need to find something that is comfortable so you can be consistent in how you hold your needle. You want to feel that the needle is an extension of your finger like you feel a pen or pencil is an extension of your fingers when you write. (We don’t do a lot of writing anymore, I will have to come up with a better example soon)

You may have grumpy fingers that don’t like to grip fine skinny needles. Then a needle holder or other way to make the needle fatter will make holding the needle more comfortable.  Wrapping from the crank down the shaft with elastics (I like postal dropping elastics) or using tool dip may give a better feeling grip. If that does not help enough, there are single needle holders or any of the multi tool holders can be loaded with just one needle.  The multi tools can be a bit more cumbersome feeling with only one needle, you may prefer the grip and ease of seeing your work with a single needle or pen tool.

Most of the single needle holders have the needle positioned off center, which can also happen when you use a single needle in a multi needle holder. This can feel a bit odd and can make it difficult to coordinate where you are exactly poking the needle. This can increase the chances of breaking a needle.  The holders are a more ergonomic choice than a single needle. If you are careful to hold the needle holder in the same position, it will be easier to anticipate where the needle will poke with a little practice.

wooden needle holder, with offset needle Painted wooden single needle holder instructions on how to add the needle to the holder18.1-18.3) not too expensive wooden single needle holder stores and holds a single needle. The needle is positioned off center, so try to be consistent in the orientation and how you hold it for better control.

Note: there are 2 sizes of the wooden single needle holder being sold at the moment. They look the same if not seen together. The older one is much smaller in diameter and only comes in clear finished wood. The more resent model is available in both clear wood and in a few colours. If you got the older one, and find it a bit skinny, try adding a foam pencil grip to it if you are finding it a bit thin.

-Distraction, which leads to forgetting to follow rule #2.

  • Stay focused.
  • Stick to listening to audio books rather than trying to watch YouTube or a movie will help too.
  • Slow down and enjoy the process of felting, don’t rush to finished the project.

Once a needle has broken:

If a needle breaks in your sculpture, extract it!! A strong magnet and fine embroidery scissors or an Exacto knife can be helpful. I have an empty pill bottle I use as a sharps container. I can then dispose of the broken needle bits in a real sharps container later.  You can usually get a real sharps container (for needles and syringes) at a pharmacy. However, the pill bottle is just easier to carry around with your work. If you have a few needle felting friends you may want to share a single sharps box amongst you.

tall pill bottle with broken needles in front of needle boxes19) A tall pill bottle will hold broken needles until you can drop them in a sharps box.

So for us, if we are buying needles ultimately sourced from companies with good quality control and not leaving them in humid places, it is more likely to be operator error. Of which the most likely that we have been momentarily distracted ,

(Look squirrel!!!) sqwuerl on fence lookng like he got cot doing somthing and has frozen looking at you.20) Squirrel on fence distracting us!

and forgot rule #2: “the vector the needle goes in, is the vector the needle goes out”. No changing direction mid stab!!!

Hints that may help

-Speed felting sounds fun but can lead to both broken needles and the need for Band-Aids. If you are finding it hard to slow down your enthusiasm, (well, it is needle felting and just fantastic, so I can see the problem!) and you have switched from listening to Techno to snooze massage music and it still isn’t helping. You could try the pink closed-cell foam insulation. Mine has a giant pink panther on it, and it comes in sheets up to 4’x8’ in case you want to work really big! But you can buy smaller pieces, too.  Why I suggest this unusual work surface is that when you stab it, especially with enthusiasm, it screams! If you break rule #2 even slightly, it will also break the needle. So, the screaming reduces the depth of stabbing, and the solidity will make you much more careful about keeping watch on how you move your needle. It may take a few broken needles, but it seems to be very good at focusing your attention so you don’t break many more.

Pink closed-cell foam (Home Depot) rigid foam insulation has a picture of the pink panther on it21) Pink closed-cell foam (Home Depot) rigid foam insulation

A final way to break needles I had not considered:

It was brought to my attention by one of my local guild members that another way needles break that I had not considered; she said that her needles break immediately after stabbing her. This is because once they have drawn blood, she breaks them. Well, that will teach them never to do that again, but it may be less expensive to use finger protection (I did review a few options to keep the pointy end of the needle and your fingers separated). Which would bring us to a review of rule #1: “the pointy end goes in the wool and not in your fingers.”  So easy to say! So hard to remember,  sometimes!

Now, what do you think, should we blame our tools or was it operator error after all?

Have fun and keep felting!

P.S. I hope this wasn’t too long and that it might get you thinking about your needles in a different way. (and you don’t have to break them if they try to stab you back!). I overdid it a bit on Monday at the guild library, but it was wonderful to see friends again! Now I’m off to bed.

PSS: My brain still seems to have roving bits of anaesthetic in it, making me forget. I missed adding this, so unfortunately, it’s at the end now.

Practice (Time)

The time you have been needle felting is also a factor.

new to needle felting

  • enthusiasm, not sure how it all works, so want to stab deeply to make sure it works!
  • coordination, it takes a moment to get a feeling for where the tip of the needle is. Less eye-hand coordination = more Band-Aids and broken needles.

With practice and noticing barb placement, the type of enthusiasm changes, and the eye-hand coordination develops.

When first picking up a needle, you are intrigued and excited! Most students want to stab deeply and quickly, trying hard to do this new, exciting thing that takes eye-hand coordination they may not have used in quite this way before. When I started, I had a thick kitchen cellulose sponge, then traded that for a 3 inch thick foam piece. I initially stabbed both myself and what I was working on. I also went through quite a few broken needles.

As time passed, I have worked on thin surfaces and slowed down on the speed. I have dramatically decreased the broken needles and the need for Band-Aids. It’s still just as exciting to see fluffy wool turn into something, but the violence of attack has changed, and it’s more of a considered stabbing now. (Oh no, I sound dangerous again!)

I hope I don’t wake up again and realise a piece is missing. Really I will get back to having my whole brain free of anaesthetic eventually, they promised.

Thank you so much for reading to the end, or skimming it at least! Have fun and keep felting, whether it be wet, dry or damp (some of each)!!

Why do Felting needles break? Do you blame your tools or is it operator error? In 3 parts

Why do Felting needles break? Do you blame your tools or is it operator error? In 3 parts

Part 2

Last post, we reviewed some of the properties of felting needles. https://feltingandfiberstudio.com/2025/03/27/why-do-felting-needles-break-do-you-blame-your-tools-or-is-it-operator-error/

The Machines

So, what does industry do with these fascinating needles?

The Felting needles are used in part of a line of machines used to create various types of non-woven/felt material. Here are a few examples of what come out the other end of the machines: automotive textiles, filtration fabrics, to sheets of felt. The needle chosen for each type of felting machine, pre-felting, felting and structuring if needed, will give you various finished products. Which needle for which job is very hush hush with only generalizations (automotive, filters, landscape fabrics, acoustics…)are given.

Let’s take a look at a sample line of machines to make felt.

2 adjacent needle boards in a prefelting macheine8) Pre-needling machine set up in parallel boards.

There are a number of different machines in a line, and the configuration will depend on the nonwoven that is being produced. As in spinning, there are machines at the front of the line that bake the bale of fiber (possibly wool), which fluffs and separates it from its compacted state in the bale. As the fiber goes through the line, the fiber will be carded, drafted, and the crosslapper will lay the web into a uniform thickness in the number of layers as required for the final product. The web drafter will make sure the web is an even thickness.  Eventually, the web will meet the pre-felting, then felting machines with their board or boards of felting needles. There may also be another machine holding structuring needles depending, again, on what is wanted as the end product.  After that, it exits and is sent to the winder to create rolls of whatever was being made.

9.1 – 9.3) Some of the machines in a production line

Depending on the machine used (Pre-needling or Main needling), the needles boards may have a different orientation with 2 adjacent needle boards (2x 4,500 needles/m) or in the main felting machine that I was reading about, 2 sets of boards working towards each other.  There are other configurations, this was just one of the sample combination lines I was looking at. For the main boards, “single or parallel uppers” were listed as having “2,000 needles/m while the Single- and multi-board operation upstroke and downstroke, tandem operation had 3,000 needles/m, 5,000 needles/m or 8,000 needles/m”. Basically that means there are a lot of needles in a board of needles. I do remember I found the speed the machines were running somewhere, but I can’t find the info at the moment. I remember it seemed very fast!

In the needle boards/beds (I have heard both, but G-B uses boards) the needles are set in using the crank (that odd little bend at the top of the needle. It is always nice to know it has a purpous not just poking my finger if I turn the needle the wrong way.) The angle of the crank will position the needle as it meets the web.  There is a tool to help get the needle in the correct orientation. If you do not get the alignment correct to the moving web the implication was less efficiency and greater numbers of broken or bending needles.

crank check tool for setting needles in a needle board10) Crank positioning tool

It is also important to get the working depth of the needle set correctly in the machine.  Since wear analyses of the needles, have shown that the first barb performs around half of the total work carried out by the needle, and that in most cases only three to five barbs are actually interacting with the web.  As hand needle felters, we may also be primarily using the first barbs as we work, but we may have to borrow the industry’s equipment to find out.

In Industry, during a job, needles are not changed all at once, but usually 1/3 at a time. During the run of a job, the needles to be regularly cleaned of fiber dust, checked for any bent or broken needles, and sprayed with an anti-corrosive oil. (Regularly checking our needles would be good practice for hand felters, too.) How long needles remain in the needle board can be measured in machine operating hours, stroke rates or production quantity.

In the boards, the needles can catch and bend or break, they will also dull (tip or barb) over time. Dulling is not usually a problem hand felters need to worry about, unless you are working into a vary needle-dulling surface (which sounds like a silly idea) or are using a fiber with extreme abrasive qualities (I wonder what that would be? Has anyone tried to felt fiberglass? I have no idea why you might want to, but that might be strong enough to destroy barbs quicker than wool.  I would also not try asbestos fiber, it would destroy your lungs and probably give you cancer. I am getting distracted (it may be getting close to time for meds again, back on topic). Stick to wool and other fluffy fibers.  We will not stab our needles nearly as many times as a needle will impale fiber in the commercial machines.  Unfortunately, even if our needle tips are unlikely to dull significantly, we still will have needles bend or break.

Remember I mentioned cycling out needle, a third at a time, in a needle board during production?  I recently saw a complaint on YouTube about the purchase of a set of needles sold in three lengths. I am sure you have seen some resellers list their needles as “Small, Medium and large” with no specified gauge. Avoid these, you may get perfectly good needles, but in three lengths of the same gauge. Or worse, as this buyer described her cheap 3 length needles as “having blunt points and the barbs were worn and shallow”. This suggests she may have received needles pulled from a needle board. If a seller doesn’t know what gauge they are selling, be suspicious. They may be cheap, but they still may not be worth the price. If you receive worn-looking barbs on your needle, they are not moving fiber as efficiently as expected, then yes, you can blame your tools and the re-seller. Used industrial needles (pulled from a needle board) will also be weaker due to the hours of wear already on the needle and will be more likely to break, especially if we forget rule #2 (Never change vector, the direction the needle goes in is the direction the needle goes out).  So far, this seems to be a limited problem, but it’s good to be aware and cautious. Although the cheap price may be very tempting, stick to reputable resellers or manufacturers.

older 3 length needles by reseller no guage listed11) Sold by three lengths but no gauges.

In this older add, above, with needles sold by 3 lengths, it looks like the two on the right might be the same gauge and the short one may be finer, but the seller only lists lengths of overall needle. We can tell from the picture that the needles should have three 3 barbs per side. If you need to be extremely frugal, and sometimes these no-gauge needles are no cheaper than ones with information, ask the seller questions. If you don’t like the answer, don’t buy them. You could wind up with something you don’t want. (Sometimes, the deal is too good to be true.)

needles sold by lenth not by gauge. another exmple of needles sold by lenth not by gauge. 12.1 – 12.2) Here is an image of needles in three sizes being sold. Lots of measurements of lengths, but no mention of gauge.

Some sellers, who are not hand needle felters, just don’t realize what we need or want to know. If they get asked often enough they may start adding more information that is helpful to us. The Doer needles (non-industry site) now has much more helpful information on it. the improvement in information is likely due to a lot of pestering by hand needle felters, and more than just me.

I have bought lots of needles from Etsy resellers, Amazon, Aliexpress and at fiber festivals.  So far, I have not run into any that seem to have warn barbs or dulled tips. I tend to buy from sellers who know what they are reselling or directly from one of the manufacturers. Being curious, I have bought a few of the various needle felting kits, which include assorted needles (some un-gauged), a working surface and other tools. So far, all the needles have looked new and unused. Some of the needles do feel a bit less flexible (likely higher carbon content?), but they still work. You just have to be more enthusiastic about adhering to rule #2.

Next, we will look at how we use felting needles.

off topic update: Second trip out after surgery, this time to the renew my drivers license and health card(Glenn was driving). i seem to have forgotten my birthday this year. dose that mean i can stay the same age as last year?

Have fun and keep felting!

Why do Felting needles break? Do you blame your tools or is it operator error? In 3 parts

Why do Felting needles break? Do you blame your tools or is it operator error? In 3 parts

Part 1

Why do felting needles break?

Do you blame your tools, or is it operator error?

I have bumped into this question a couple of times so far this year but had not been up to considering the answer. The question has two factors which we should consider. The needle itself and how it is used.

Let’s start with a review, what industrial felting needles were originally designed to do: make nonwoven fabric in industrial machines.  We can divide the needle itself into two parts: first, the needle and its intrinsic qualities and second the machines the needles go in.  Then, we will consider our use of the needles.

DIagram of a felting needle with parts listed1) Parts of a felting needle

(The diagram above should be looking quite familiar if you have read the other blogs about needles.)

Quick overview of the properties of needles:

Length:

Needles vary in length, depending on the machine they will be used with and what they are making. Needle lengths range from 2.5”,(3”, 3.5”, 4”, 4.5”) to 5”. The most common Length for us is 3”, which fits in the clover and fake-clover tool holders. So sellers who sell needles by length, small, medium and large, may be selling you the same gauge just in different lengths. We will chat again about that silliness later.

2.1-2.2) range of Gauges used by hand needle felters

Gauge:

Needles also come in different gauges. That’s the thinness or thickness of the working part of the needle. We usually work in the range of 32g to 42g, with most needle felters preferring the 38-40 range. But within the industry, the range is much larger; standard Triangle needles range from 12–46 gauge.  The higher the number the finer the needle and the more vulnerable it will be to mishandling.

Shape:

You also have various shapes of the working part of the needle. The most common shape is the triangle. There are other options such as the tri star (3 Sides), quod or cross star (4 sides) (both stars are more limited in gauges and lengths available), Twisted or Spiral needles (Higher production speeds possible and good compaction of the non-woven fabric. They are used in the automotive and filtration sectors.), and the Crown, which is a Structuring needle (one barb on each edge of the working part, closest to the point. Used in Automotive interiors and home textiles: Floor coverings)

Some we don’t tend to see;

  • Vario barb (Graduated barb size per edge, 1-3 barbs per side. The closer to the point, the smaller the barb),
  • Conical (tapering angle from the point to the end of the working part, like the Vario, the barb size decreases the closer to the tip and up to 3 barbs per side; barbs come in 3 styles. Available in 18–43 gauge)
  • GEBECON (as the previous 2 needles, tapering working part and varying barb sizes up the working part.

These three previous needles are all used in Pre-Needling machines and are popular for their resistance to bending or breaking. They are used in the manufacturing in the automotive sector, synthetic leathers, geotextiles, filter felts and any type of technical felt.

  • Teardrop working part, 4, 6 or 8 barbs on one side. This needle is described as having a gentle effect on the warp and weft threads of the base material. It is used when base materials are used; examples given were in paper machine and filtration felts or for needling furniture upholstery fabrics. 30–40 gauge, 2 barb types and 2 lengths are the regular availability.
  • EcoStar 3-sided triangular working part, most commonly 2 barbs per side. It is described as having a Lower penetration force required in felting machines.

Barb:

 

verious differnt shapes of barbs on a felting needle 4 exsamples 3) Barbs: Some of the B.G Barb styles

Needles have barbs, little notches in the working part of the needle that grab one or many fibers and moves them into the felt or ground you are working on. For most needles, the gauge of the needle will determine the size of the barb. With Courser Gauges can have bigger Barbs that can grab larger and courser fiber or more of a finer fiber with each insertion. Inversely, smaller barbs/finer gauges will only grab finer fibers since a fiber larger than the barb will not fit in it, so it cannot be moved by the barb. There are different styles of barb shapes.  When perching from a reseller, we don’t usually know which type of barb or the barb spacing we are getting.

Point:

There are also different points on felting needles. Again, they are usually not listed when you buy them from a reseller, and now, many of the manufacturers are not listing them on their packaging. We seem to be getting the standard sharp point, which was stated as the most common, but there are other options available.

feling nedle tips options we usualy have the sharp option.4) Point options from G.B,  some are commonly found, and some are not seen by us

The Point comes in more than one shape. We tend to be sold sharp, pointy tipped needles. Although they are brand new needles, as you can see, they can have a rounded tip. These points are usually associated with needles working on a woven ground, so the point does not break the fabric as it is pushing wool into the fabric. These are not needles we tend to get our hands on. The exception is a fork needle, which is now being sold to us as a felting needle. It is not, it’s a structuring needle and does not have any barbs. It is used mostly by doll makers to add hair to their newborn baby dolls.

A few years ago, there were rumors in the technical papers of new coatings to increase the flexibility of needles and allow an increase in the speed the web could pass through the line (machines).  So far, the rumor has not given us a flexible needle, but a new coating/finishing process for barbs has been introduced. It reduced the speed the barb wares, once worn, it no longer grabs the optimal amount of fiber or grabs no fiber at all. This requires the replacement of the needles in the needle board. This new needle gave much longer run times before needing replacement.  This may not be quite as impressive for hand felters but it is an interesting development in technology. I will keep hoping for the mythical flexible needle to turn up, which will likely be helpful to us, but I am not holding my breath.

Different needle manufacturers.

There are various needle-making companies. Some make the machines and the needles, others seem to only make needles for others’ machines. When I was surfing around the web trying to find technical details on needles, I would occasionally come across a snide comment about “needles made in India” on a site not in India, or “fragile needles from China” on a site selling needles not coming from China. Oddly, I never saw anyone saying anything bad about the German Groz-Breckert company (G-B) (I have some of their needles and they are nice). That said, they were difficult to contact. When both Ann and I tried years ago (there was a branch office in Canada, now gone), they wanted you to buy in boxes of 1000 needles and ignored us. There are a couple of resellers who are getting needles from them. So, if you want to, you can try them out without buying a full box.  I can buy in boxes of 500 needles from Doer, but because of the weight the shipping is sometimes as much or more than the box of needles.

The advantage of going straight to the manufacturer is that you know the needle specifications and can reorder exactly what you find most helpful.  I have shown you photos before of the ends of the needle boxes I have bought with the needle code on the end. The disadvantage is you now have 500 of one type of needle!

A couple of years ago, I was reading one of G-B’s industry newsletters (for fun) and found an article that horrified me! G-B would be dropping the full specification of their needle boxes and instead giving a customer code that would work with the customer’s inventory system. DRAT!!!! Why would you want to do that? I want to know what the needle specks are, gauge, barb type and spacing (especially how far from the tip the first barb is), length of needle, (I will admit I am not as interested in the length to first and second step down), there is even a code for the type of tip!! I know I am a bit of a nerd in wanting to know all this but barb spacing and working depth are variables that interest me.

I kept reading the article….. and they finally got to the point. The removal of the needle coding is to thwart industrial espionage by snooping at the boxes being loaded into needle board/beds for a specific job.

old and new lables on boxes of felting needles5) GB new labeling.

Oh. Ok, I can see where that is important, but I still want to know the specs for hand needle felting and I am willing to share with other felters what needle info I have! Doer is the company I have been chatting with and buying boxes of needles from. They have not gone quite so extreme as G-B, but I have noticed they have reduced the info on their boxes, too. I ordered a box of “15x18x38x3 GB2222” and got “38G Star” stuck on the label.  I took a pen and added the rest of the code.  Ok, enough ranting about the lack of info on needle boxes.

Let’s look at what the needles are made of: I can’t find a document saying how the needles are exactly made (more sneaky digging in the internet in my future!), so let’s think like a blacksmith for a moment. What is the needle made of, and has it been finished to change the metal’s properties? From numerous times of dropping a needle on the floor (really, that can’t be good for the needle or my feet) I can pick it up with my extendable magnet. So the sites saying carbon or high-carbon steel are likely correct.

The amount of carbon in steel will change the properties of the metal. More carbon makes it stiffer but also increases the fragility. Less carbon will make it more flexible but not as stiff. Carbon content is not the only thing to consider.

extendile magnet and light with needle attached 6) Needle pick-up tool (extendable handle and light by magnetic end; I found mine on sale at Princess Auto)

If you have ever had the opportunity to watch a bunch of blacksmiths work, it’s not only a highly photogenic opportunity, you also occasionally see them changing or adjusting the hardness of what they’re working on. Think of a knife or sword. The blade edge must be hard and be able to be sharpened, but the rest of the blade must be flexible enough not to break when used. So I asked Glenn.

As you work with metal, it hardens.  This can be countered by annealing, quenching and tempering. You are wanting to create a metal that is strong and, in our case, flexible enough to withstand the stresses of repeated stabbing into the web as the machine is running and the web is moving.

Annealing alters the physical and mechanical properties of metals, improving their workability. Annealing involves heating steel to a specified temperature, holding it there for the right time and then cooling it very slowly. The controlled cooling helps refine the metal’s structure and relieves internal stresses.

Tempering increases the toughness of the metal, untempered steel is very hard but is usually too brittle for most purposes. Tempering involves heating the metal to a temperature below its critical point, holding it there for a specific amount of time, and then quenching it again to preserve its condition. Generally, low temperatures will reduce brittleness while maintaining most of the hardness. Higher temperatures reduce hardness, which increases elasticity and plasticity but causes some yield and loses tensile strength.

I also spotted information on optimal needle storage:

How could this lead to breakage? Well, if you have rust developing, especially on finer gauge needles, they become increasingly fragile and are more likely to break. So, poor storage may increase breakage.

Suggested optimal needle storage:

  • Air humidity < 40 %
  • Temperature 15–25 °C (59-77 °F)

When you are buying from the manufacturer directly, they will have tested the needles to ensure quality control. Getting a rejected box of needles is not too likely, but be wary of secondary vendors who don’t know what gauge they are selling, and are a bit iffy on how needle felting works. There are a few on aliexpess and amazon, I am sure elsewhere on the web, that are a bit suspicious, which I avoid. However, the majority of needles are properly made, lightly coated in oil, and wrapped in waxed paper to reduce rusting and are ready for us to use. There are many excellent resellers of needles who are knowledgeable about what they are selling, know who they are dealing with when buying their needles and will sell you good quality needles.   If you are in a higher humidity area, even if the needles are perfect when you buy them, it is important to take added precautions to keep your needles dry and protected from rust. To reduce both the appearance of rust and the weakening of the needles, causing brakeage.  (Do not store your needles in a cellulose sponge; it attracts water and will defiantly rust your needle if you leave them in it)

cellulose spunge attracts water and will rust needles if left there for storage.7) Cellulose sponges attract moisture and will rust needles if they are stored in the sponge.

Next post, we will look at how the industry uses these needles.

Post script health update: still quite tender but starting to sleep through the 2 am meds! I am also finding I am extremely tired again and keep noticing how nice and comfortable the bed looks, which is where I am heading next.