Fish should not have squishy centers!

Fish should not have squishy centers!

A few weeks ago, I turned my attention back to working on the latest Mer-person (the boyfriend for Miss Mer) and realised I had a small problem. It is very fixable, but I thought you might like to chat about what and how it happened.

 

A quick review of the newest Mer-persons progress so far;

3 fotos, the armature, head body and fist arm initial wrapping in white wool, second hand close up has 5 fingers and a thrumb... 3 photos: front and back of upperbody and head, adding first wrapping on tail1.1-1.2) 05-2025 Cangames (you can see what happens if you get distracted winding fingers…I fixed that too.)

mer-person (under layer underway) self stabing while holding a ball of core wool 1.3) 06-04-2025 Mer-boyfriend trying to get me to rush his felting

adding more fiber to fish parts at demo in Dunvagon Museum1.4) 06-15-2025 Blacksmithing weekend and felting the mer-boyfriend

visiting the guild mer-person lounging langudly on table (back vew)1.5) 07-14-2025 Social

Mer-Person with felting needle self felting his 6pack abs.1.6) 08-08-2025 Friday Twist shop and demo

As you can see in the review, I had a few problems with counting fingers and rushing to build up the shape. I do have an excuse, as I started this project, I was still heavily distracted by lingering anaesthetic. I think there may be a few tendrils of the stuff still clinging to bits of brain, but most of it has now left the building. (Yah!)

 

When I was wrapping, especially in the Fish parts, I had not kept the second layers of wrapping as tight as I would have liked. This was exacerbated by starting to block in the superficial features before getting the understructure as firm as I would like. This meant that the Fish parts were now close to the correct shape at the surface, but squishy if you applied pressure to the felt. Squishy does not suggest strong young fish!!! (Fish also usually do not have the ability to fold mid fish.)

 

Working on superficial features (shallow poking of the wool with 38T333 and 42T222 needles) gave me a nicely felted surface with a much more loosely felted under layer. (I got excited, I jumped ahead and started into the fun sculpting, before a firm under layer was achieved!)  Well, that is not what I was wanting. How am I going to fix that?

 

Diagram of superficial felting with a less felted core.2.1) Diagram of superficial felting with a less felted core.

 

Since I am still working on the understructure, I can fix this now without too much difficulty. I will need to move fibre at a deeper layer, and since I am making the under structure, not the finished surface layer, I don’t have to worry about surface pitting if I move to a courser needle (a 36T-333). Pitting is telling you to keep felting, until the raised area (the parts not yet felted) is even with the lower spot (which is felted more).

 

Why would I move to a courser needle? I want to move fibre, but I will not be adding more fibre superficially at this point. Also, if I work deeply with a finer needle, it is more sensitive to minor directional changes (which can lead to OOPS!!) I would prefer not to have to go searching out broken needle bits from his fishy parts.

Synopsis: A Courser needle is more aggressive when moving fibre, and is less fragile than a finer needle, especially when working deep into the under layers.

 

Diagram inserting the needle deeper to affect the under layer 2.2) Diagram inserting the needle deeper to affect the under layer

 

Synopsis: The barbs affect the fibre by grabbing one to a few fibres as they are passing through. If you only work to a shallow depth, you will only be affecting those fibres. If you are working to a greater depth, you will affect the fibres that are located there and some of the fibres above them.

 

There is another way squishy interior felt can occur;

As with Wet felting, some breeds of sheep have fleece that is less inclined to create a dense felt than other breeds. I have had trouble with a couple of the Rideau Arcott fleeces (created with a mix of breeds) I have used. No matter how much needle felting of that wool I did, it remained spongy, but it was holding together, so it was felted.  A Less than appropriate wool choice is not the problem this time, since I am using Corradale carded roving, which I have used before without problems.

 

Before I started to firm up the understructure of my fish person, he was able to fold his tail tightly in half and fit in the smaller project bag. Now, after hours of poking, he will have to go into the big project bag.

 

mer-person at wet felting workshop. he is face down on the table and may have fainted?3.1) 10-05-2025 Slipper workshop (I think the wetness was too much for him?)

 

He now bends and stays in position, but no longer stays when the bend is extreme. (The increase in felt stiffness has strengthened the wool. He is poseable, but the wool felt is getting closer to overpowering the wire. I can stop increasing the firmness now, and work on adding more of the understructure superficial detail and the missing fins. (I will return to shallow poking rather than deep stabbing!)

 

I should mention the importance of gauge choice and wire type for your armature. It is important to figure out the gauge of wire you need for the size of your sculpture, and the pose or position you would like your figure to be in. You can make a blind guess, an educated guess from previous experience, or you can make samples. (I know some fiber artists, I am looking at a couple of my weaver friends, who are vary avers to sampling but it can be both educational and inspirational even if you don’t get the result you expected.) 

 

I organised a study group during COVID to make samples of various gauges of mainly aluminium and Steel (floral) wire. It gives me a reference sample I can use to select a good wire gauge to try for a new project.  (Before the samples, I could adjust the armature to make it stronger by adding steel floral wire to a limb to give it more strength. This can be done over part of the wool under structure, as long as more wool would be added on top.) I have also had to add lateral supports when the lumbar spine of Mr. Mer broke (I wound up doing surgery with a sharp awl, inserting Harrington rods running up each erector spinae muscle and down into the upper Hamstrings.)

  awl inserting harrington rods (10g aluminum coated wire) lower section is imbeded from lower lumbar to below his glutes Mr Mer showing where the two rods is hidden on one side of his back4.1-4.3) 01-19-2022 Mr. Mer’s Fishy parts, augmenting armature after felting is well underway. (Insertion of Harrington rods in progress) fixing this far into felting becomes harder to hide the surgery, but not impossible.

 

With armature wire gauges and felting, you have 3 options for outcome.

1) Wire overpowers wool (felt):

  • The wire holds the wool/felt staying in position when posed.
  • A lighter gauge of wire could have been used and still held the wool in position (working with heavier wire than you need can stress your hands and may develop metal fatigue if you are moving the figure often)

2) Wire = wool (felt):

  • The wire holds the wool staying in position when posed

This is the balance you would like to achieve, since you will not have worked with over-stiff wire.

3) Wool overpowers wire (felt):

  • When posed, the wire is moved out of position by the density or strength of the wool.
  • Augmenting the armature might be possible if you catch the imbalance before you finish the understructure. It is increasingly difficult to strengthen the wire the closer you are to finishing the sculpture. (but you can see with Mr. Mer it is not impossible to strengthen the armature quite far into the felting.)

 

If you have the opportunity, you may also want to make samples of various gauges of wire or combinations of gauges if you don’t have access to a full range of aluminum and floral wire (there are sources online if you can’t find a range of wire locally).

 

Investigate locally easily available types of wire first. One of the English felters uses rubber-coated garden wire for armatures.  A few felters on YouTube, like pipe cleaners, but craft pipe cleaners are weak compared to the strength of other options. If you are doing very lightly felted structures  (a lot of the faceless fairies are only lightly felted), pipe cleaners might work to su0pport the wool. What pipe cleaners are very helpful for is wrapping around your armature, to help secure the wool as you wrap it. Cheap quality pipe cleaners, in areas of high humidity, have another problem: they can rust.

As you find more gauges and types of wire, make samples of them too. Keep notes, was it easy to shape or twist, or did your hands tire quickly? (Note: Uncoated aluminium will leave marks on your hands.) Also, try a gauge and augment it with a second finer wire too; it will give you more options if you don’t have access to a full range of aluminium and floral wires. I made a series of legs, with feet, and to test floral wire as fingers, I made arms with hands. I can now refer to the samples when I start a new project.

 

I have been puttering along, firming up his fishy bits and then moved on to work on his upper musculature. I will have to print off another set of photo-reference if I cannot find the book with the last set. (found it!)

 

Front vew of the firmer fish bits back vew of the firmer fish bits5.1-5.2) The fish parts are now quite firm. I think I am almost ready to start adding the little spikes.

I will try to remember to take some more in-progress shots while I figure out the fish details. I apologise! I am afraid that for this part of “stiffening-of-the-Fishy-under-structure” felting, I climbed into bed with a big pile of pillows and felted while listening to the end of the new Lynsay Sands vampire book. Then started the latest Wen Spencer (this one has a vampire and werewolves) audiobook, and forgot to bring the camera! (Needle felting in bed is not the suggested location for optimal felting and avoiding self-stabbing as you fall asleep while felting…. a table is really a better choice)

 

Photographic collection of some of the refference photos i have collected to help with the next part of the project adding the spikey parts5.3)Some of the sturgeon reference photos I have collected, focusing on the spines/spikes.

 

 

What’s next;

You may remember last year, about this time, was the Kanata games (and felting) convention (last year I found a sheep game). It is coming up, and I wanted to have most of the basic shape blocked in and firmed up so I could start working on the fiddly bits of the ridges and rows of spikes. If all is going really well, I hope I can start to add some of the colour layers during the convention.

 

PS: I can think of a reason you may like to have that firm outside and softer felted inside. I am sure one of my cats would have appreciated something to pounce on that squished in a satisfying way.

One way to achieve this would be; wrap your fist layer securely (around the armature, if you are using one, which will keep the felt from rotating around the armature), then wrap the next layer a bit looser. Then, focus the majority of your felting on the shallow depths, and you could recreate the squishy inside effect. If you wrap around a bundle of fresh catnip leaves, it will be even more appealing. Just make sure the outside is well felted, so no one can tear off and eat the wool, to get to the catnip!

 

Even from what is technically an anaesthetic-incused mistake, you can notice something and save that thought for later use. Who knows when it may be a useful idea?

 

I will update you on his progress at the convention!  Maybe there will be more felters this year! Stop by between games if you are there. I hope you too are enjoying this late summer/not-really-fall and getting the last of your summer fibre purchases washed, before the weather remembers to look at the calendar and realise we used to have snow in about 2 weeks from now. (Really, there is no rush! I am enjoying this not-fall and am perfectly happy not to be having snow any time soon!)

PSS, if you would like to comment on any of the posts you read in the blog but cant find the comments button, it has vanished from the end of the post! (it is either very shy, or trying to avoid work) since it is now hiding all the way back at the top of the post (where no one would ever think to look for it! silly button you have been found and will hopefully be put to work!)

 

13 thoughts on “Fish should not have squishy centers!

  1. You really should write a book Jan – you have acquired so much knowledge of needle felting.

    Is it a year since the Kanata games? Tempus fugit. Hope you find a new game!

    Your embryonic Mer looks to be commiting hara-kiri at the Friday twist shop – maybe you should hide the sharp needles from him.

    We had two sturgeon in our koi pond (unfortunately the pond is no more) and they were fascinating – they would poke their heads right out of the water and allow us to pet them.

    1. thank you both, i would love to right a book. i seecretly would like to write it bilingualy. if i write it late a night in my native langwidge (dislexic) which is similer to wesh but more vowls are alowd and any spelling rule may be applyed at any time. decroative letters may or may not be added and silent letters are often off doing something else, some where else. then translate the oposit page into inglish. realy my spelling has improved emencly cince i started off at school!!! ok maybe it would be better if i just got a team of edditors, i was distroying english magors at univerity doing volintear spellchekcing so i should not pick on only one or they will never work again!!!

      this Mer’s inthusiasum to meet his new girlfrend is likly part of the problem. he seems much more rushed to get to a presentable state then Mr. Mer who was just a flert most of his creation.

      i will update you on the quest for sheep games next post! i will try to distract a few of the gamers to the wonders of felting (i wounder if we can invent “Felting- the board game”? let me think about that…….)

      Pond Stergons sounds fabulous!! what a greate idea!!! i hope you took picktures!!! we had a cuple gold fish but they did not last long. (dont tell the Mers!!!)

    1. Thanks Kate!
      All the Mer’s are based on Sara’s (Saraphina fiberarts) you tube mermaide felt along. i adjusted the armature larger or smaller depending on the mer. i also tend to do dry felting so veared off from Sara’s use of a wet felted skin. i wanted my mer’s to be recognizable fish people. so each is based off of a particular fish. the mer dotter who has wondered off into the house somewhere will be an arctic char mer person, her hopeful boyfreind will hopefuly be a stergon. Mr mer is a northern pike, his wife is a butterfly koi and there son is a hamer hed shark.
      if you ask google to find mermaid felt along on you tube you will see the sereis of vidios she made and you can make one too!! you can deviate or stick to the instructions as you like since it would be your mer person! i wonder what type of fish would inspier you? felt gives so many options you can make almost anything!
      have fun and keep felting!

  2. Very interesting post Jan. As always I love your posed Mer helping with the stabbing! It’s reassuring for those of us who don’t do so much needle felting that even you can have the (I am sure very) rare “squishy” moment! Your advice about choosing the right strength wire is spot on. I once made the wrong choice (leafy Seadragon) and ended up having to do the insertion surgery too. Very fiddly but, as you’ve demonstrated, hopefully doable with lots of patience and determination!

    1. thanks Karen! its always good to have help when your working, some help is just more helpful than other help. i have learned that i should not start a felting project while i am still noticing the affects of anesthetics. it did not go as well as i had hoped with parts of my brain still on vacation and the parts that are left not being the parts that can count fingers… wrap consistantly….. remember order of opperation…….

      many mistakes are correctable in felt but sometimes its best to put somthing aside and start again. no matter what you do or how it comes out you usualy have learned somthing from the experience even if its only i will never do that again.

      i hope you are haveing a lovely Not-Fall and enjoying the extended outside felting weather!

    2. It’s definitely not outside felting weather right now. We are having some very misty, damp days but I love them cos everywhere is so atmospheric! At least it’s not raining or cold.

    1. Thanks Ann, i would love to write one (on Needle Felting) but seem to be extra buissy all of a sudden! which may be the perfect time to work on it. (sleep? i am sure i could do something more productive than that.)
      i enjoy see the progress on other peoples project so i hope you will enjoy the progress on mine. others projects can also inspier an idea in whatever you are working on. even mistakes can be ether educational or a cotionary tail.

    1. Thanks Ruth! i will think about on line teaching, the commute would be easyer and i would not be loading and unloading a car load of fiber each workshop! it is something to think about.
      but first i have to make it through mid December. how did life get so bussy? maybe its makeing up for the rest of the year which was a bit of a snooze-fest (literaly, i feel like most of what i did was sleep this year).

  3. Mer Boyfriend has some impressive musculature! Who knew his core needed more exercising? 😀

    Loving all your explanations, Jan. Thanks for sharing your experiences and illustrating them so well for us all.

    1. thanks Leonor, i realy appresiate the incuragement. i keep feering i am borring everyone with my strange interests and odd curiosity!

      i hope you will be impressed with the next chunk of work he has had done on himself and with some help from me. he attended the Kanata Gameing and felting Convention, went to Merickville for their small fiber fetival and then on to Toronto and back. i think he is napping in his project bag after all the excitement. i suspect he is trying to get me to finish him before the Guilds Sale and Exhibition but i am not sure that will work out.

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