Canadian Arcott Ram #2 Part 2

Canadian Arcott Ram #2 Part 2

In an earlier post we found out that 3 breeds of sheep were created by Agriculture Canada mixing existing breeds to create a sheep that would give; multiple births, fast-growing lambs and ewe’s with good mothering instincts. At first, their goal was to make a breed of sheep for research purposes but as the project continued they developed into 3 separate breeds; the Rideau Arcott, the Outaouais Arcott and the Canadian Arcott.   Since they have been bred mostly for their meat, the fleeces around here are variable often strikingly different between individuals in the same flock. The Rideau Arcott’s fleeces I have worked with before, on my highly technical scale, have ranged from OOOOH! all the way to Ick!

This being the first Canadian Arcott fleeces I have worked with I am testing their qualities and seeing what they may be best for. If you find a Canadian Arcott, it will likely be more lustrous than the Rideau Arcotts, and less variability between individual fleeces. (This is a strong rumour and your Canadian may vary a bit from the breed standard. It’s always best to look at each fleece as an individual)

Last post I tested Ram #2 (it’s ram number two because he was the second one out of the bag.) His ewes are employed as lawn maintenance specialists at a local solar farm.

We found that the fleece worked well with both combing and carding preparations producing a niece yarn from each. I had kept the combing waste and had carded up extra fibre to try the next set of experiments with it. So let’s see what I found out next!!

Comb waist needle felting test

Let’s see what the comb waist is like for felting (I have had very good results from some of Bernadette’s Combing waste fibre for both core and outer layers) she has very good fibre so even the waste is good!!

Ram 2, even in this relatively clean section I have sampled, had some VM (Vegetable Matter) which the combs separated brilliantly. This meant my sample section had VM amongst the fibre short bits and naps. This will be a good test of some of the lesser quality fibre from this fleece.

33 test with comb wast

This is not as fast to needle felt as a Shetland but it has springiness and lustre. For an understructure that needs to be relatively firm but have some give that springs back, it might be perfect. (A belly perhaps?)

34 close up of needle felted ball-ish shape.

I was using a courser needle I think it was one of the T-36’s for this sample. It created a slightly dented surface but if I had switched to a T-40 or paid more attention to how I was poking, I think it would have been able to make it a bit smoother but it was quite acceptable for an underlayer. I did notice a bit of a very fine halo that is more visible in the shadowed areas.


Wet Felting with Carded wool

Now the last consideration, can it be wet felted. I have a feeling it may not be good since it shows signs of stubbornness with the lovely fine crimp. But let’s see.  There is always hope until it is crushed mercilessly.


So let’s try the carded fibre and layout a sample. To give it the best chance for felting I laid thin wispy layers in alternating directions North /south then east /west. I repeated until I had a puffy pile about an inch thick.

35 approximately 2.5 inches square

I had received a number of small bubble wrap bags with the larger needle felting tools (the 3 needle holders were all very poorly packed and had no bubble wrap)


36 bubble wrap bag that needle felting tool cam in.

I found one of the smaller pouches and placed the layered fleece inside with the bubble facing in. now to add soap and water. Hmm, maybe I better try and start it first in my hand then put it into the bubble wrap.

First, this wool is not a sponge. I used a lot of soap and warm water to wet the fibres, some of which collected in the bottom of the bubble wrap bag. I also discovered bubbles do not make good waterproof bags, they drip. So I put it into an extra-large sandwich bag to contain the wetness.

37 Ooops this bag leaks in the corners!!! need better waterproofing!!!

38 XL sandwich bag!! that will make felting safe!!

I started with gentle caresses across the bubble wrap then moved to gently rubbing it between my hands. I focused on working in both vertical and horizontal directions. The wool has spread out but doesn’t feel like it’s grabbing yet. Let me find a video to watch and I will keep going.

39-40 taking a quick peek

41 cant see what I’m doing too many bubbles!!!

As the soap built up I went and rinsed some of it out.

42 43  There does seem to be adhesion! But let’s see if I can get a bit more. I put it back into the bubble wrap bag and put that into the sandwich bag.  Now, to add more enthusiasm to the rubbing!

44 Now off for a rinse and see what we have and is it felt?

45 Drying, look how thin it is. There was some shrinkage as well as some migration at the edges.

46 Yes, that is defiantly felt! with the lateral migration, it is very thin.

47 no longer the about 2.5inch square I started with.

47 it certainly isn’t an inch thick anymore!

Ann wanted to know “Did it shrink at all? When I have felted some of the “nonfelting” wool before it didn’t shrink. It did stick together but as you say, you could pull it apart. It would make good sheets of batting to go in a quilt

I don’t think it would be a good one for quilting it flattened too much. I think it may have shrunk but it also spread so I think it spread about an inch but it is also a lot thinner than it started. It did shrink if you consider it vertically even with the displacement into extra width.

This might be effective when mixed with some more enthusiastically felting sheep and then used for a super thin light summer scarf or shawl.  It may be a good base to build up from. I may have to do another sample to see how it reacts with different sheep and other fibre

it is softer in texture than the spun yarn. I could probably tear it apart if I really tugged a bit.  It is holding to the pinch test but again if I was more aggressive I could likely pull off the uppermost layer.  So a bit more aggressive felting might have helped its cohesiveness. Even with that stated it is at the stage that it is definitely felt and not fibre. It kind of reminds me of cookie dough that looked thick as it went in the oven but when cooked spread into a puddle

I think this would not be a top choice for most wet felting projects but some of its properties may be useful. I think this may be more of a fleece to look at for weaving. Its low elasticity would defiantly be a plus when making a warp!

PS just got my second covid shot yesterday and it may be bright and sunny out but I think it’s time for bed. this time I got the Phyzer version and it’s much nicer than the AZ (i feel like I was kicked in the arm by a small mule then climbed a large mountain.) if I can avoid getting covid it will all be worth it!! have fun felting and I will chat more when I wake up.


13 thoughts on “Canadian Arcott Ram #2 Part 2

    1. Thanks! it was fun to try and find out what this type of fleece would like to be. in not sure it will be a first choice for a wet felter but if you are looking for a fleece with a bit of luster and not much elasticity for a yarn to weave with this mite be an excellent warp choice.

      pfizer after affects have been way better than AZ, i will feel much safer in about 2 weeks but i can tell it is working!

  1. Interesting to see your results. It looks like you could full the wet felt more and perhaps get more shrinkage. But I know you don’t like to get wet. Feel better soon! Good that you have both vaccines.

    1. thanks Ruth, i to think i mite have been able to get a more shrinkage out of the sample but at this point it is defiantly felt and not fiber. i did like the needle felting sample(even with the VM). i was suprized at how different to the last Rideau Arcott fleece i used as core wool. this is not as spungy and felted (by needle) faster than the Rideau did. it still is slower to felt then the Shetland wool i have used but i did like the bit of luster in the Canadian Arcott fiber.

      i may come up with a way to wet felt and stay dry yet!!! other than a bit of dripping i did quite well with the little sample!

      i am so happy to have had the second shot (and that it didn’t make me as sick as the first one- but that did indicate my immune system was attentive and working). i am hopeful we will have enough people vaccinated soon so we can go back to fiber festivals and felting classes!!

  2. So Jan, are you going to try felting a larger sample? And go at it more aggressively (once your arm feels better, congratulations on the second shot by the way). Is one of the known characteristics of the Arcotts that the fleece doesn’t felt? Thank you for the compliment that my combings are of good quality, but I have this “thing” that at some point what is left in the carders or combs or on the floor, is garbage and will need to go to a final resting place. I admire your tenacity it maximizing the fiber.

    1. Thanks Bernadette! yes i have more Canadian Arcott put aside for a second sample . the sholder now is only stiff when i move it and sore if i raze my arm to sholder level. but it feels like the mule that kicked me is getting smaller each day!!

      i plant to start out slow to try and reduce the migration that occured in the first sample. then adgitate it longer and with more viggor. i may even throw it on the floor or table or maybe the bath tub will be safer (wetness may happen if i get too agressive)

      All the Arcott breads are known for there tastyness not there fiber use. but i think the qualitys of at least this Canadian would be good for weaving. Ann definatly did not expect me to be able to get a cohesive felt from him! i have sent samples to his owner and must remember to pass on my congratulations to him on such an interesting fleece.

      you are veary correct some wast is just land fill (or garden path fill) but with the amazing quality of the fiber you work with, your comb wast is prity amazing!

  3. Great post Jan. the wool was felted when you showed me. I wonder if it would make a good needle felting background if it was thicker. Maybe later this summer we can run some through the carder and then fold it to see if we can make a nice base. I get my second shot Monday. I will have a little time to recover before having to bake again. I wouldn’t want you Mom to miss her cookies.

    1. that sounds like a wonderfull project! i had the second stainer bin of fleece drying, it was almost fully dry so i left it out and yes the weather noticed and rained on it!!! it must have thot it needed another rince! i started another of the dirtyer sections soaking in the soapy water and rain. i should have enuff to experiment with in a week or so. (i just have one soaker bucket running at the moment)

      Good luck with your shot, a cuple advill and a cold face cloth (or some ice creem) will help to get rid of the a small mule kicked me feeling. Mom would miss your Cookies, i think i have her addictied to them!!

      i wondered if it mite work on a lamp shade since it is think with a bit of luster. it could be embroiderd on after felting. or dip diyed!!

      i hope your sheep sheering is gooing well i cant wate to see the pictures!!! (take Lots!!)

    1. Good Harty Canadians!! it has been fun exploring the breed, i hope the rest of us Canadians are also good hardy people just like the sheep (but maybe a bit cleaner and not as fond of dust baths?)

  4. Your posts are always interesting and entertaining Jan.
    Hope the arm recovers soon – I actually found that the 2nd A-Z jab didn’t give me any side effects. Hope the Pfizer one is the same.
    Looking forward to a possible test on mixing different fleeces with this one.

    1. Thanks i am glad you are enjoying them!
      my emune systum is very enthusiadtic and is sure the regular flue shot is a horrible afrunt to it. it just was extra offended by the AZ shot. the Pfizer has gone MUCH better! even the fateege didnt last as long. i am so glad i now have 2 shots and that the second wasnt the AZ again!
      Ann has plans for more tests of feltablity so im shure we will be doing some blending too!

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